Subject: general-digest V2 #92
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general-digest          Monday, July 26 1999          Volume 02 : Number 092

In this issue:

    Re: power supply replacement
    Re: power supply replacement
    RealAudio through DM IP-Masq ?
    Re: RealAudio through DM IP-Masq ?
    PPPoE support for Netwinder?
    Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?
    Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?
    Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?
    Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?
    What ever happened to WordPerfect?
    New pricing
    Re: New pricing

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:39:53 -0700
From: gfb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: power supply replacement

Mine failed too, I bought a power plug to fit the jack on the 'winder,
at Radio Shack, the connected to a regulated power supply. This has the
added benefit, of stabilizing fan speed.

Allen Rouse wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have lost my NW's external converter, what we use as the "on-off"
> switch, the thing that plugs into the wall.
> 
> If someone could let me know what the equivalent RadioShack model I
> would appreciate it very much.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:04:23 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: power supply replacement

gfb wrote:
> 
> Mine failed too, I bought a power plug to fit the jack on the 'winder,
> at Radio Shack, the connected to a regulated power supply. This has the
> added benefit, of stabilizing fan speed.

We use a single PC power supply to supply juice for the 10 nodes in our
cluster (http://netwinder.org/~ralphs/images/bigbeowulf.jpg).  It works
very well, but you generally need to put a dummy load on the (unused)
+5V rails if you are connecting more than three or four NetWinders. 
Otherwise, most PC supplies won't deliver the full rated output current
on the +12 rails.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:46:06 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: RealAudio through DM IP-Masq ?

Has anyone there got their DM firewall box to successfully pass
realaudio data streams through IP-Masq?  I even have the ip_masq_raudio
module loaded, but all I hear is the first five seconds or so..

This is using the more or less stock 2.1-12 image with 981212 kernel.

Cheers.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:28:29 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: RealAudio through DM IP-Masq ?

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Mark Lord wrote:
>Has anyone there got their DM firewall box to successfully pass
>realaudio data streams through IP-Masq?  I even have the ip_masq_raudio
>module loaded, but all I hear is the first five seconds or so..

Hmmm.. must have gotten "lucky" with the three server sources I had tried.

It all seems to work fine now, no further changes on this end.

False alarm (I think).
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:46:52 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: PPPoE support for Netwinder?

The Sympatico internet service is planning to introduce PPPoE
(PPP over Ethernet)  technology for their high-speed customers
(Nortel 1-Meg modems, and perhaps the earlier 2.2mbit/sec ADSL).

This will happen in Ottawa sometime in August, and through the rest
of their network within a few months.  Sympatico will supply client software
for W95/W98/WinNT/MacOS and Redhat Linux.  It sounds like binary-only.

Once implemented, Netwinders will no longer be capable of acting as
firewalls or servers etc.. on such interfaces. making them into pretty useless
desk ornaments.

Anybody know of any plans for Rebel.com to speak with Sympatico about this?
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:39:42 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?

Mark Lord wrote:
> 
> The Sympatico internet service is planning to introduce PPPoE
> (PPP over Ethernet)  technology for their high-speed customers
> (Nortel 1-Meg modems, and perhaps the earlier 2.2mbit/sec ADSL).

Well that's dumb.

> This will happen in Ottawa sometime in August, and through the rest
> of their network within a few months.  Sympatico will supply client software
> for W95/W98/WinNT/MacOS and Redhat Linux.  It sounds like binary-only.

Death and destruction.

> Once implemented, Netwinders will no longer be capable of acting as
> firewalls or servers etc.. on such interfaces. making them into pretty useless
> desk ornaments.

Looks like I'll have a new "hobby" project (I have Sympatico CDSL).

> Anybody know of any plans for Rebel.com to speak with Sympatico about this?

I don't know of any.  Wouldn't help anyways I bet, as it isn't a simple
matter of porting the software.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:07:13 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?

"Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:

> > Anybody know of any plans for Rebel.com to speak with Sympatico about this?
> 
> I don't know of any.  Wouldn't help anyways I bet, as it isn't a simple
> matter of porting the software.

Actually, it should just be a simple re-compile of the software
that Sympatico calls "Access Manager".  Apparently this thing
runs something like a dhcp client daemon, and somehow is
driver-independent.

Of course, we currently have the usual lack of details/reponses from
Sympatico,
but maybe somebody at Rebel.com can twist their arm.

Apparently this PPPoE stuff is going to "take over the world",
in which case there are going to be a lot of NetWinders that
can not longer perform their primary purpose of net server/firewall.

This could be serious if Rebel.com is blindsided.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:15:03 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?

"Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:
> 
> Looks like I'll have a new "hobby" project (I have Sympatico CDSL).

RFC 2516 - This pretty well sums up PPPoE:
  "Access control, billing and type of service can be done on a per-user,
   rather than a per-site, basis."
Sounds like another money grab to me, which makes sense given the break
up of Stentor (that owned Sympatico and subsidized xDSL).

PPPoE looks pretty young (RFC is Feb 1999) and is on the draft standard
track.  There only appears to be a single commercial "driver" for Linux
at this time.  It works with pppd and has been reported as "buggy" (losing
PPP frames...guess LCP is okay).  It is not licensed to individuals either.

More news as I discover it.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:36:27 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: PPPoE support for Netwinder?

"Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:
> 
> PPPoE looks pretty young (RFC is Feb 1999) and is on the draft standard
> track.  There only appears to be a single commercial "driver" for Linux
> at this time.  It works with pppd and has been reported as "buggy" (losing
> PPP frames...guess LCP is okay).  It is not licensed to individuals either.

The more I read, the the less I like.  Seems pretty well all PPPoE systems
available use proprietary extensions that are of course not documented.
I don't like the idea of network standards being proprietary :(  Didn't
anybody learn anything from the open Internet?  Oh well.

I sent an informal message off to Sympatico support.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:41:13 -0500
From: Jesse <[email-masked]>
Subject: What ever happened to WordPerfect?

What ever happened to the version of WordPerfect 8 for the Netwinder
when hcc bought the Netwinder from Corel? Did that ever see the light of
day?

Jesse

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:22:03 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: New pricing

I notice the new OfficeServer is $150 cheaper than a DM,
and includes double the hard disk space as well.

Any other hardware differences, or are the other prices
under review as well?
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:18:18 -0700
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: New pricing

Mark Lord wrote:

> I notice the new OfficeServer is $150 cheaper than a DM,
> and includes double the hard disk space as well.
>
> Any other hardware differences, or are the other prices
> under review as well?
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Gee, there might have been new pricing last week but as of today,
there's no www.rebel.com. Period. :(

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