Subject: general-digest V2 #100
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general-digest       Thursday, November 4 1999       Volume 02 : Number 100

In this issue:

    [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]
    Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]
    Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]
    Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]
    Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]
    Netwinder and Browsers/Productivity
    Re: Netwinder and Browsers/Productivity
    Re: kernel 2.2 problems
    Netwinder in daily use
    Netwinder-like device as a home server?

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:55:58 -0400
From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]

	*sniff* *sniff* Rebel.com is mean.... :-(

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:10:44 -0400
From: Mark Malick <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
References: <[email-masked]>

We only do factory installs of the OfficeServer .

Zybina Mohamed wrote:

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>
> Subject: NW office Server
> Resent-From: [email-masked]
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:52:53 -0400
> From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
> Organization: SUNY Potsdam Distributed Computing and Telemedia
> To: [email-masked]
>
>         I have several NW's, (DM's) -- I would like to be able to
> Upgrade/Evaluate/etc the Office Server disk image, yet I do not want
> them "factory installed", etc. Is there anyway I could obtain/purchase
> the Office Server disk image on CD-ROM? Or via a download? Thank you. :)
> --
>
>           - Matthew Keller -
>        Lead Programmer/Analyst
>   Distributed Computing and Telemedia
> State University of New York at Potsdam
>
> Web: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/
> PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/
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>
>   Zybina Mohamed <[email-masked]>
>   Contract Administrator
>
>   Zybina Mohamed
>   Contract Administrator                 <[email-masked]>
>   Technical Services 1980 Merivale Road  Fax: (613) 224-0909
>   Nepean, ON                             Work: (613) 723-2359 ext. 271
>   K2G 1G4                                Conference Software Address
>   Canada                                 Default Directory Server
>   Additional Information:
>   Last Name     Mohamed
>   First Name    Zybina
>   Version       2.1

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:20:01 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]

That is of course the canned answer that the support people have been
told to say.  Didn't I warn you about that ?!?  I've raised the issue
again with management so stay tuned for an update.

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:21:44 -0400
From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 
> That is of course the canned answer that the support people have been
> told to say.  Didn't I warn you about that ?!?  I've raised the issue
> again with management so stay tuned for an update.

	Yeah, but I always HOPE that companies will cut through the marketing
and do the Right Thing(tm). 

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       Lead Programmer/Analyst
  Distributed Computing and Telemedia
State University of New York at Potsdam

Web: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:02:15 -0400
From: Scott Bambrough <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]

Matthew Keller wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but I always HOPE that companies will cut through the marketing
> and do the Right Thing(tm).
> 
I think in this case we did do the right thing.  There are way too many
support headaches for upgrading in a piecemeal fashion.  Look at the
number of problems this list sees regarding firmware and kernels; and we
are supposed to know what we are doing :).

Scott

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:12:32 -0400
From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: NW office Server]]

Scott Bambrough wrote:
> 
> Matthew Keller wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but I always HOPE that companies will cut through the marketing
> > and do the Right Thing(tm).
> >
> I think in this case we did do the right thing.  There are way too many
> support headaches for upgrading in a piecemeal fashion.  Look at the
> number of problems this list sees regarding firmware and kernels; and we
> are supposed to know what we are doing :).

	*shrug* I think a policy of "we'll send you the CD (sell) of Office
Server, but don't ask us for support" wouldn't be a bad idea.
	I'm not too bitter about it --- I just don't want to bite the shipping
costs nor be w/o my NW(s) for longer than a trivial amount of time
(trivial being defined as "the length of time it takes to reimage" :).
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       Lead Programmer/Analyst
  Distributed Computing and Telemedia
State University of New York at Potsdam

Web: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:14:37 +0100
From: Gareth Woolridge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Netwinder and Browsers/Productivity

All

I have been interested in netwinder for a while, but am finally plucking
up the courage to buy.

Given that I am a student, the box will have to be more than a toy,
support my CS programming etc.

This I see it can do fine, but where does it stand on the browser and
productivity front.

I know the LC had been scheduled with Netscape and Wordperfect, but have
heard nothing since the HCC/Rebel aquisition.

Is there a netscape or mozilla release that is useable??  And are we
likely to see Wordperfect??  Of course from the document point of view I
prefer LaTeX, but there are times when compatibility is useful.  I cant
live without a reasonably functional browser though.

On a slight aside, whats with the SCSI??  I believe (although my eyes may
deceive me) I read on rebel.com that the developer had SCSI, but when I
went back to confirm I couldnt find it stated anywhere.  Its not really
somethign I need, but it would be nice to know.

Thanks

Gareth

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:39:10 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Netwinder and Browsers/Productivity

Gareth Woolridge wrote:
> Given that I am a student, the box will have to be more than a toy,
> support my CS programming etc.

Been there.  Done that :)

> This I see it can do fine, but where does it stand on the browser and
> productivity front.

Last I heard was that both Corel and Netscape are waiting for our
build environent to stabilize, before spending the time and effort
to build their products.  This will likely be (?) DM build 16 when
we plan to switch to versioned libraries.

Until then, I understand there are a few useable browsers available
(can't name names 'cause I don't work in X, just on it).

> On a slight aside, whats with the SCSI??  I believe (although my eyes may
> deceive me) I read on rebel.com that the developer had SCSI, but when I
> went back to confirm I couldnt find it stated anywhere.  Its not really
> somethign I need, but it would be nice to know.

It's available on the rack.  It replaces the DEC 21143 daughtercard
with a Symbios 53C885 one.

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REBEL.COM  http://www.rebel.com/

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:15:11 +0000
From: David Rodriguez Ibeas <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2 problems

Nenita Manaois wrote:
> 
> i have just upgraded from 2.0.35 to 2.2.9.  there was no problem
> encountered in upgrading the firmware (now 2.1.7) and recompiling the
> kernel.  however, when i try to recompile my old programs (e.g. ppp,
> vlock) i always have the error:
>        /usr/lib/crt1.o --> unrecognized file
> 
	I have had this problem on a i386 box. That line was what 
gcc replied when asked to compile anything (even an empty body program).
I traced the problem to a broken compiler installation. Solved
reinstalling
gcc on that machine I would try installing a new compiler. No guarantee,
it
will work...

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:24:37 +0000
From: Gareth Woolridge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Netwinder in daily use

Apologies in advance for another pre-purchase posting.

I posted a question regarding the availability of browsers / productivity
tools etc, and the general consensus seems to be, not yet but soon.

As I use LaTeX for most of my documentation this isnt at present much of a
problem.

But I want a Netwinder which would see many uses, mainly for software
development in C++ and Java, well if blackdown get round to a Java1.2
port for ARM.

What I would like to know is people's everyday opinions of use of the
Netwinder as both a development and general machine.

Currently I use a K6-200 with SuSE6.2 for linux, but this may well revert
to Win98 as unfortunately Forsaken need Windows.

The twin ethernets of the winder are also an advantage as I will have the
opportunity to connect my network to the net via UNI from Xmas. 

So, send me your opinions, good or bad either in this forum, or by email
to [email-masked]

Thanks

Gareth

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:04:36 -0500
From: "Peter Baldwin" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Netwinder-like device as a home server?

Hi there.

A few folks - including myself - are currently looking at developing a "home
server"... basically a little "black box" that sits in a corner and acts as
the brain of a smart household.  You can get more details at
http://www.pointclark.net.  NW is a good starting point, but it is still too
complex to use for users like my sister-in-law!  We want the new product to
be reliable, secure, simple, and smart (I guess that's asking too much!)

I'm currently an MBA (previous life: systems engineer) at Carnegie Mellon
University.  For my entrepreneurship classes, I'm taking on the home server
market as my project.  As I state on the website... "if the feedback from
this website is positive, the financials and marketing look good, and about
a million other things fall into place, PointClark could be a real business
by mid-2000"

Take a look at http://www.pointclark.net and feel free to send us
feedback... it would be very much appreciated!  Over the coming weeks, all
the comments will be aggregated and added to the content of the website.

Thanks for your attention!

Cheers,
Peter
web: http://www.pointclark.net
email: [email-masked]

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Carnegie Mellon University

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