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devel-digest       Thursday, September 30 1999       Volume 02 : Number 231

In this issue:

    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm
    Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm 
    Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1
    Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1
    Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1
    Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1
    Updated vidcap tools?
    Re: Updated vidcap tools?
    Netscape Status?
    Re: Netscape Status?
    Re: Netscape Status?
    eth1 and eth0 at the same time ?
    Re: eth1 and eth0 at the same time ?
    Re: We Need Your Help

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:45:37 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

[email-masked] wrote:

> So, where do I find kernel >= 2.2.12-7?  It doesn't appear to be in your RPMS
> directory.

It's in /users/r/ralphs/kernel, it's not offically blessed yet that's
why it's there.  The ftp search on the 'downloads' page will find it
given 2.2.12 as an input (but Craig's new site search on the front page
doesn't... I guess he has some more work to do :)

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 18:54:36 GMT
From: Rod Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

[email-masked] wrote:

> One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed 
> kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm; 
> now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).

So I don't have a mythical problem with portmap...  What was
your previous kernel version?

- -Rms

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 19:10:51 GMT
From: Rod Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

[email-masked] wrote:

> One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed 
> kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm; 
> now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).

So I don't have a mythical problem with portmap...  What was
your previous kernel version?

- -Rms

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:14:30 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

Okay.. I will look into it :)

Rod Stewart wrote:
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed
> > kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm;
> > now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).
> 
> So I don't have a mythical problem with portmap...  What was
> your previous kernel version?
> 
> -Rms

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:17:14 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than  util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

I will look into it :)

Rod Stewart wrote:
> 
> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed
> > kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm;
> > now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).
> 
> So I don't have a mythical problem with portmap...  What was
> your previous kernel version?
> 
> -Rms

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:17:32 +0100 (BST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

[email-masked] writes:
> One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed 
> kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm; 
> now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).

Can you describe the problem?
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Date: 23 Sep 1999 19:28:59 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

> From:  [email-masked]
> Date:  23 Sep 1999 15:20:08 -0400
>
> [email-masked] writes:
> > One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed 
> > kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.r
> pm; 
> > now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).
> 
> Can you describe the problem?

I was (and am again) running kernel-2.2.9-3 before.  

After the upgrade, It looked like portmap started correctly at boot time, but
nothing that tried to use it worked.  I guess I should have confirmed that it 
was running, but I suspect it core dumped.

Chris

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 19:30:15 GMT
From: Rod Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm

[email-masked] wrote:
> [email-masked] writes:
>> One step forward, two steps backwards.  I found and installed 
>> kernel-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm and kernel-headers-2.2.12-990907.armv4l.rpm; 
>> now my portmapper doesn't work (portmap-4.0-17).

> Can you describe the problem?

Essentially once portmap starts, the first select() call is really
screwed up.  It looks something like this with strace:

	select(1048576, [4 5 1026 1028 1032 1033
the only thing is the numbers keep increasing to something similar to 
45432, until it dies.. :)

- -Rms

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:34:53 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is there a better/newer util-linux than util-linux-2.9t-16nw1.armv4l.rpm 

Rod Stewart wrote:

>Essentially once portmap starts, the first select() call is really
>screwed up.  It looks something like this with strace:

Yeah, I saw this too.  I haven't yet had the time to dig into why or when it 
started happening.

p.

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 22:02:18 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1

Okay, here's another one.

Trying to use awk generates this warning:

	awk: error in loading shared libraries: awk: undefined symbol: __umodsi3

with glibc-2.1.2-9 and gawk-3.0.4-1

Is there a better version of either glibc or gawk?

Chris

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 22:19:06 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1

> From:  [email-masked]
> Date:  23 Sep 1999 22:02:18 GMT
>
> Okay, here's another one.
> 
> Trying to use awk generates this warning:
> 
> 	awk: error in loading shared libraries: awk: undefined symbol: __umod
> si3
> 
> with glibc-2.1.2-9 and gawk-3.0.4-1

This also breaks groff-1.11a-9

Chris

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:20:35 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1

[email-masked] wrote:
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> This also breaks groff-1.11a-9

I just rebuilt this.  Try again.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:22:58 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Updating from glibc-2.1.2-2nw1 to glibc-2.1.2-9 breaks gawk-3.0.4-1

Umm...I missed the stat of this discussion I guess.

If you find a glibc RPM that doesn't have 'nw' in it's name, don't
use it as it is probably versioned (the default).

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:57:29 -0700
From: "Jim Blust" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Updated vidcap tools?

I'm interested in playing around with the Netwinder's vidcap capabilities,
but I'm wondering if development on the vidcap drivers has stopped. The
latest in PatB's directory seems to be vidcap-0.2, and that is dated 11
months ago. I'd like to use text-mode capturing for a webcam, and I'd be
interested in whatever other fun software has been developed, also. Is there
anything new, or will Vidcap support go away? (I seem to remember seeing
that the OfficeServers won't have the vidcap hardware)...

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:24:09 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Updated vidcap tools?

PatB has ported the vidcap driver to 2.2 and will be releasing it
shortly (or so he told me a week ago).  I'm not sure if it does
text-mode capture... but sizing and scaling under X seemed to be working
pretty well.

As for hardware support...  yes according to the plans, the OfficeServer
won't have the capture hardware.  However it's merely a de-population
and removal of connectors, so the video option can be reinstated fairly
easily if there is sufficient demand.  The same thing goes for the rack
mount.  Of course the DM (now Developer) model will continue to have the
full complement of hardware.

- -Ralph

Jim Blust wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in playing around with the Netwinder's vidcap capabilities,
> but I'm wondering if development on the vidcap drivers has stopped. The
> latest in PatB's directory seems to be vidcap-0.2, and that is dated 11
> months ago. I'd like to use text-mode capturing for a webcam, and I'd be
> interested in whatever other fun software has been developed, also. Is there
> anything new, or will Vidcap support go away? (I seem to remember seeing
> that the OfficeServers won't have the vidcap hardware)...
> 
> Jim

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:44:03 -0400
From: Chris Mckillop <[email-masked]>
Subject: Netscape Status?

With Netscape v4.7 out yesterday, when can we expect to see a browser
for the Netwinder?  The lack of this application has *GOT* to be hurting
sales.

    chris

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:34 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Status?

Chris Mckillop wrote:
> With Netscape v4.7 out yesterday, when can we expect to see a browser
> for the Netwinder?  The lack of this application has *GOT* to be hurting
> sales.

Well, we need a stable development platform first.  Neither Netscape
nor Corel are interested in doing weekly builds.

The current plan is for DM build 15 to be wrapped up at the end of
this week, and for DM build 16 to start (basically build 15 with
versioned libraries).  Once build 16 is out the door, I don't expect
there will be any major changes to the foundation.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:18:57 -0400
From: Craig Ross <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Status?

Hi Chris,

Netscape will be available for NetWinder as soon as we provide them with
a stable DM 15 disk image in order to complete the port.

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:29:27 -0400
From: root <[email-masked]>
Subject: eth1 and eth0 at the same time ?

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Hi there,
<p>I have been running eth1 and eth0 concurrent but seem to have forgot
<br>the way how to have both available.
<p>somehow the netwinder prefers eth0 for connections..
<p>I tried many route setups but I am out of ideas ..
<p>jan rinze.</html>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:36 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 and eth0 at the same time ?

root wrote:
> I have been running eth1 and eth0 concurrent but seem to have forgot
> the way how to have both available.
> 
> somehow the netwinder prefers eth0 for connections..
> 
> I tried many route setups but I am out of ideas ..

Umm...use nwconfig and install the tulip module at boot.

Nothing to it really.  Been using a NetWinder like this for several
months as a firewall.

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:40:56 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

I've built a compressed base image tarball (34,999,027 bytes) and put
it in ftp://netwinder.org/pub/unofficial/base-3.0-15-public1.tar.gz
It expands to about 100 MB (roughly 1/10 of a full DM image).

  Known bugs:
  - syslog error message 'invalid argument' on boot
  - error message '/proc/.../ip_always_defrag missing' on boot
  - error message 'bttv.o: unresolved symbol(s)' on boot
  - RPC doesn't work reliably
  - install-info doesn't seem to work correctly with the gpm package
  - man page formatting using <AD> for hypens.
  - mostly untested

  Non-RPM changes (= kludges):
  - firmware 2.1.8 and symlinks (because bad 2.0.8e rpm is installed)
  - kernel 2.1.12 with serial debugging and symlinks.  Handy for debugging.
    To use, connect a serial terminal and enter this in the firmware:
      load-defaults
      setenv kernfile /boot/serial
      boot cmd=console=ttyS0,115200
    Big thanks to Ralph for this.

Remember that this is a base image, so it doesn't have any frills.
You can add additional RPMS as you require.

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