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devel-digest         Tuesday, November 2 1999         Volume 02 : Number 235

In this issue:

    Re: tftp/nfs boot multiple
    Re: DM build 15 public 4 now available
    Re: tftp/nfs boot multiple
    Re: DM build 15 public 4 now available
    tulip_upgd.o for dm15?
    Port Linux for ACORN NC
    Re: Port Linux for ACORN NC 
    Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?
    Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?
    Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?
    DM15 public 2 troubles
    Re: DM15 public 2 troubles
    [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start (correction)
    Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start (correction)
    DM15 public 4 and sound
    Re: DM15 public 4 and sound 
    dm15p4, network configuration
    Re: Updated vidcap tools?
    Re: DM15 public 4 and sound
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration
    Re: DM 15 and sound -- working
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration
    dm15p4, network configuration, redux
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration, redux
    Re: dm15p4, network configuration
    Titan VI (released)
    Buggy Processor
    Speak Freely
    Re: Speak Freely 
    Re: Buggy Processor
    Re: Buggy Processor
    Video Capture
    Re: Speak Freely
    Re: Speak Freely

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:54:44 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tftp/nfs boot multiple

I'm not sure what sort of information you are looking for... aside from
making sure each machine has its own IP address (if you use DHCP this
isn't a problem), you can go right ahead and configure them all the same
way to boot from your NFS server.  The only wierdness occurs when one
machine does a mount of some other filesystem, since it then shows up in
the (collective) /etc/mtab file so the others think they've mounted it
too...  You can avoid this by using mount -n.  Since all machines are
sharing the same disk image, you have to be a little careful. 
Alternatively, you can mount the disk read-only and set up ramdisks (in
the rc.sysinit) for /etc, /var, and other areas that must be writable. 
So far as I know nobody has actually done this.

Another problem is that tftp is not very robust.  If one machine is
using the network heavily, others will have trouble booting tftp during
this time.  They might not download their kernel at all.  The only
solution here is to use a switch instead of a hub to connect everything.

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:44:30 +0000
From: Allan Anderson <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM build 15 public 4 now available

"Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:
> 
> Another DM build to test.  This one features fewer bugs (I hope), GNOME,
> gdb, and is 100% RPM generated.
Lovely.

I apologise if this is a FAQ, but is there a place that I can rsync this
from?

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:58:26 -0400
From: Scott Bambrough <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tftp/nfs boot multiple

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 

> Alternatively, you can mount the disk read-only and set up ramdisks (in
> the rc.sysinit) for /etc, /var, and other areas that must be writable.
> So far as I know nobody has actually done this.

Actually I have done something similar to this.  I had set up a
NetWinder, with a bootable NFS image, using RAM disks for /etc, /var,
/tmp etc.  It is a fair amount of non-trivial work.  I found the
NFS-Root-Client Mini-HOWTO and Diskless Linux Mini-HOWTO both useful
reading material.

> Another problem is that tftp is not very robust.  If one machine is
> using the network heavily, others will have trouble booting tftp during
> this time.  They might not download their kernel at all.  The only
> solution here is to use a switch instead of a hub to connect everything.

There is no good standardized solution here to this problem (other than
Ralph's suggestion). There is an RFC that outlines a TFTP like
distribution of files, using broadcasting, but the NetWinder firmware
doesn't support a solution like that.

Scott

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:07:06 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM build 15 public 4 now available

Allan Anderson wrote:
> "Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:
> > Another DM build to test.  This one features fewer bugs (I hope), GNOME,
> > gdb, and is 100% RPM generated.
> Lovely.
> 
> I apologise if this is a FAQ, but is there a place that I can rsync this
> from?

For a directory listing:
  rsync -an netwinder.org::beta

To download/sync:
  rsync --partial netwinder.org::beta/dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz .
  rsync --partial netwinder.org::beta/base-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz .
which can be repeated if the transfer fails.

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:08:22 -0700
From: Bodo Bauer <[email-masked]>
Subject: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?

Hi,

I upgraded my netwinder to dm15 and now I'd like to get eth1
working. The firmware reports that the SROM has to be programmed.
The FAQ told me this is done by loading the module tulip_upgd.o.

So far so good, but now where do I get this module for this build?

The only one I found is pretty old:

[root@netwinder bb]# insmod -f ./tulip_upgd.o
Warning: kernel-module version mismatch
        ./tulip_upgd.o was compiled for kernel version 2.0.35
        while this kernel is version 2.2.12-19991020
./tulip_upgd.o: unresolved symbol board_id
./tulip_upgd.o: unresolved symbol serial_num

Any tips?

BB

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:04:03 +0700
From: Rudi YM Chatab <[email-masked]>
Subject: Port Linux for ACORN NC

Have some Acorn NC thin terminal which now running on RISC OS 3.6.
I am thinking of replacing the current OS to Linux OS.
Due to storage limitation which we do not know how to install it to the
existing hardware paltform (CPU: ARM7500FE; ROM: 4MB; RAM 8 MB)

Please advise

Rudi

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:13:06 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Port Linux for ACORN NC 

In message <[email-masked]>, Rudi YM Chatab writes:
>Have some Acorn NC thin terminal which now running on RISC OS 3.6.
>I am thinking of replacing the current OS to Linux OS.
>Due to storage limitation which we do not know how to install it to the
>existing hardware paltform (CPU: ARM7500FE; ROM: 4MB; RAM 8 MB)

This is not really NetWinder related, but hey.  Do you plan to put the OS in 
ROM, or soft-load it?  If the latter, there should be no big deal -- the 
existing RISC OS bootloaders should do the trick.  You may need to modify the 
kernel a little to work on the Acorn NC but the changes should be small.

p.

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:16:18 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?

Until we port the tulip_updg to 2.2, the current solution is to boot
2.0.35 temporarily for the purposes of doing the insmod tulip_upgd. 
Sorry :)

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:48:35 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?

A 2.2-compatible version of tulip_upgd is now available at
ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/netwinder/kernel/modules/tulip_upgd-2.2.o

It will need to be forced (insmod -f) since your kernel version probably
won't match whatever Woody had when he built it.  As long as you run a
2.2 kernel and it doesn't complain of lacking symbols, the module will
work fine.  I tried it on my OfficeServer and my dm-15-public-4 box and
it worked.

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:19:42 -0700
From: Bodo Bauer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tulip_upgd.o for dm15?

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 
> A 2.2-compatible version of tulip_upgd is now available at
> ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/netwinder/kernel/modules/tulip_upgd-2.2.o
> 
> It will need to be forced (insmod -f) since your kernel version probably
> won't match whatever Woody had when he built it.  As long as you run a
> 2.2 kernel and it doesn't complain of lacking symbols, the module will
> work fine.  I tried it on my OfficeServer and my dm-15-public-4 box and
> it worked.

Worked here too, thanks a lot!

BB

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:44:19 +0000
From: David Rodriguez Ibeas <[email-masked]>
Subject: DM15 public 2 troubles

I am new to Netwinder (just used for over a week).
I started installing DM15 public2 on it and found some troubles:
(legend: problem, - more info, > solution)

man has troubles with libraries (does not find
/usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2)
> solved by a link to /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.2

fails to load sshd:
- - some files are missing (/etc/sshd_config, host_key ...)
- - no way of generating host_key
- - also have sshd but not ssh 
> I copied config from an x86 machine.
> generated a host_key on a x86 and cp-ed.

fails to write on /tmp, /dev/null
> chmod 666 /tmp (/dev/null)

screen fails to start if not root.
- - it gives a 'Sorry, could not find a PTY'

when login it gives this error:
- - bash: ulimit: cannot modify ulimit: Operation not permited.
- - the error triggers when running 'ulimit -c #' and #!=0

				David

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:10:26 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM15 public 2 troubles

David Rodriguez Ibeas wrote:
> I am new to Netwinder (just used for over a week).
> I started installing DM15 public2 on it and found some troubles:

Thanks, but that's why we're currently up to public4 :)

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:07:51 -0700
From: mark warren bracher <[email-masked]>
Subject: [DM15p4] atd won't start

ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...

except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...

atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.
as a last resort I try to execute /usr/sbin/atd by itself
and it fails silently.

any thoughts?

- - mark

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:49:07 -0400
From: Scott Bambrough <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

I built a DM15p4 yesterday and atd is working fine...

Scott

mark warren bracher wrote:
> 
> ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...
> 
> except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...
> 
> atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
> try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.
> as a last resort I try to execute /usr/sbin/atd by itself
> and it fails silently.
> 
> any thoughts?
> 
> - mark
> 
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:17:41 +0000
From: David Rodriguez Ibeas <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

mark warren bracher wrote:
> 
> ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...
> 
> except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...
> 
> atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
> try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.

If other people uses it correctly it may be a problem with 
system clock. Sometimes when clock gets offset-ed at daemon
complains and wont run. (My system's clock at home does not
work and atd complains).

					David

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:44:19 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

Scott Bambrough wrote:
> I built a DM15p4 yesterday and atd is working fine...

I second that.  Works fine for me.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:11:35 +0100 (BST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

David Rodriguez Ibeas writes:
> If other people uses it correctly it may be a problem with 
> system clock. Sometimes when clock gets offset-ed at daemon
> complains and wont run. (My system's clock at home does not
> work and atd complains).

AFAIK, atd uses only the system clock, not the hardware clock.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:41:59 +0000
From: David Rodriguez Ibeas <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> David Rodriguez Ibeas writes:
> > If other people uses it correctly it may be a problem with
> > system clock. Sometimes when clock gets offset-ed at daemon
> > complains and wont run. (My system's clock at home does not
> > work and atd complains).
> 
> AFAIK, atd uses only the system clock, not the hardware clock.

The hardware clock at home does not work, and as a result the system
clock has offsets (there is no network to ask for time / rdate) every 
time I turn the computer on.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:53:29 +0100 (BST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

David Rodriguez Ibeas writes:
> The hardware clock at home does not work, and as a result the system
> clock has offsets (there is no network to ask for time / rdate) every 
> time I turn the computer on.

Yep, it has offsets wrt the correct time, but atd does not know what
the correct time is - it only knows the "current time" which in your
cause happens to be the wrong time.

When the system time is corrected, atd will have a small fit and (may)
start up lots of processes that it should have run over that time period
(check the manual page - some cron and at daemon packages do this).
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:33:12 -0400
From: "Erik Bunce" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start

mark warren bracher <[email-masked]> wrote in message
news:[email-masked]...
> ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...
>
> except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...
>
> atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
> try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.
> as a last resort I try to execute /usr/sbin/atd by itself
> and it fails silently.
>
> any thoughts?
>

I had the same problem when I installed DM15 public 4 on a virgin partition.
I ended up creating a debug build of atd, and found it dying on line 117 of
daemon.c, where it tries to redirect stdin, stdout, and stderr to /dev/null
by opening it with O_RDWR.  Of course at this point it's UID is 2 (daemon),
and it turns out that the /dev/null device had permissions of 644 where it
should be 666.  So to fix it do the following on your machine:
    chmod 666 /dev/null

After that it should be just fine.    It turns out the permissions on
/dev/null are wrong in dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz, so if you use it on an
EMPTY partition as per the "Disk-Update-HOWTO" you will see this problem.

Enjoy,
Erik Bunce

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:46:50 -0400
From: "Erik Bunce" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start (correction)

Correction, upon double checking the disk image it turns out the permissions
weren't wrong.  Must have accidentally forgotten the the -p option for tar
when untarring.  oops, teach me to hit send while "tar tzvf
dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz |grep null" was still in progress... :-)

Erik Bunce
Erik Bunce <[email-masked]> wrote in message
news:[email-masked]...
>
> mark warren bracher <[email-masked]> wrote in message
> news:[email-masked]...
> > ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...
> >
> > except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...
> >
> > atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
> > try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.
> > as a last resort I try to execute /usr/sbin/atd by itself
> > and it fails silently.
> >
> > any thoughts?
> >
>
> I had the same problem when I installed DM15 public 4 on a virgin
partition.
> I ended up creating a debug build of atd, and found it dying on line 117
of
> daemon.c, where it tries to redirect stdin, stdout, and stderr to
/dev/null
> by opening it with O_RDWR.  Of course at this point it's UID is 2
(daemon),
> and it turns out that the /dev/null device had permissions of 644 where it
> should be 666.  So to fix it do the following on your machine:
>     chmod 666 /dev/null
>
> After that it should be just fine.    It turns out the permissions on
> /dev/null are wrong in dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz, so if you use it on an
> EMPTY partition as per the "Disk-Update-HOWTO" you will see this problem.
>
> Enjoy,
> Erik Bunce
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:58:57 -0700
From: mark warren bracher <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [DM15p4] atd won't start (correction)

yup, that would be it...  I foolishly forgot the -p when I
untarred the image.

thanks much...

- - mark

Erik Bunce wrote:
> 
> Correction, upon double checking the disk image it turns out the permissions
> weren't wrong.  Must have accidentally forgotten the the -p option for tar
> when untarring.  oops, teach me to hit send while "tar tzvf
> dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz |grep null" was still in progress... :-)
> 
> Erik Bunce
> Erik Bunce <[email-masked]> wrote in message
> news:[email-masked]...
> >
> > mark warren bracher <[email-masked]> wrote in message
> > news:[email-masked]...
> > > ok,  DM15p4 installed, works great...
> > >
> > > except that /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd _always_ fails...
> > >
> > > atd is the only process that fails during bootup.  I then
> > > try executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/atd by hand, and it fails.
> > > as a last resort I try to execute /usr/sbin/atd by itself
> > > and it fails silently.
> > >
> > > any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > I had the same problem when I installed DM15 public 4 on a virgin
> partition.
> > I ended up creating a debug build of atd, and found it dying on line 117
> of
> > daemon.c, where it tries to redirect stdin, stdout, and stderr to
> /dev/null
> > by opening it with O_RDWR.  Of course at this point it's UID is 2
> (daemon),
> > and it turns out that the /dev/null device had permissions of 644 where it
> > should be 666.  So to fix it do the following on your machine:
> >     chmod 666 /dev/null
> >
> > After that it should be just fine.    It turns out the permissions on
> > /dev/null are wrong in dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz, so if you use it on an
> > EMPTY partition as per the "Disk-Update-HOWTO" you will see this problem.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > Erik Bunce
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:06:12 -0400
From: "Erik Bunce" <[email-masked]>
Subject: DM15 public 4 and sound

After installing dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz (this time remembering the -p on
the tar command line ;-) I found
that sound doesn't work.  When I try 'cat /dev/sndstat' I recieve:
   cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
and the following two lines appear in the /var/log/messages files:
    Oct 28 22:11:35 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
sound-slot-0
    Oct 28 22:11:35 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
sound-service-0-6

I don't get the "can't allocate DMA3" listed in the thread "DM 15 and sound"
related to public2 though, so I'm not sure if it's the same error.  Also If
I'm going to to try to compile the kernel with the fix mentioned in that
thread, which compiler version should I use?

When I  performeda 'cat /proc/dma' I recieived no output.  Here is the
output of several /proc files in case their information helps:

$ cat /proc/modules
soundcore               2848   0 (autoclean) (unused)

$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 2.2.12-19991020 (root@rfs-dm13) (gcc version 2.8.1) #1 Wed Oct
20 13:09:07 EDT 1999

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : Intel sa110 rev 3
BogoMips : 262.14
Hardware : Rebel-NetWinder
Serial # : 3032
Revision : 55ff

$ cat /proc/interrupts
  0:      45752   timer
  1:         10   keyboard
  2:          0   cascade
  5:          0   PS/2 Mouse
  8:          1   rtc
 10:          0   nwbutton
 14:      32158   ide0
 21:       3898   eth0
 24:          0   cascade
 31:         70   PCI error

$ cat /proc/ioports
00000020-00000021 : pic1
00000060-0000006f : keyboard
00000070-0000007f : rtc
000000a0-000000a1 : pic2
000001f0-000001f6 : ide0
00000278-0000027f : reserved
00000300-0000031f : eth0
00000370-00000371 : W83977AF configuration
000003bc-000003be : reserved
000003f6-000003f6 : ide0
0000e800-0000e807 : ide0
0000e808-0000e80f : ide1

$ cat /proc/bus/pci/devices
0040 10ea2000 b 01000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
0048 10110019 16 00000401 00800000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
0058 10ad0565 0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000
0059 10ad0105 e 000001f1 000003f5 00000171 00000375 0000e801 00000001
00000000
0060 10505a5a 15 00000301 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000

$ cat /proc/devices
Character devices:
  1 mem
  2 pty
  3 ttyp
  4 tty0
  5 ptmx
  7 vcs
 10 misc
 14 sound
 29 fb
 36 netlink
128 ptm
136 pts

Block devices:
  3 ide0

$ tail -12 /var/log/messages
Oct 28 22:06:53 cactus sound: Starting sound configuration:
Oct 28 22:06:53 cactus sound: sound
Oct 28 22:06:54 cactus rc: Starting sound succeeded
Oct 28 22:06:55 cactus PAM_pwdb[511]: (su) session opened for user xfs by
(uid=0)
Oct 28 22:06:55 cactus PAM_pwdb[511]: (su) session closed for user xfs
Oct 28 22:06:55 cactus xfs: su startup succeeded
Oct 28 22:08:48 cactus PAM_pwdb[534]: (login) session opened for user erikb
by (uid=0)
Oct 28 22:09:29 cactus PAM_pwdb[550]: (su) session opened for user root by
erikb(uid=3251)
Oct 28 22:11:23 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0
Oct 28 22:11:23 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
sound-service-0-6

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Erik Bunce

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:02:05 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM15 public 4 and sound 

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sounds like you need to load the `waveartist' module.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:49:36 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: dm15p4, network configuration

I notice, in dmesg, the following:
     eth0: Winbond found @ 0x300, IRQ 21, 00:10:15:00:06:2D.
     IP-Configuration: Incomplete network configuration information.

I run netconfig (netconfig 0.7.2) and it aborts after the first panel.
Behind
the abort message I can see a second panel:
     Hostname
     Determining host name and domain
then the trap message:
     netconfig memory violation at pc=0x02002aa0, lr=0x401532b4
          (bad address=0x00000000, code 3)
     Segmentation fault (core dumped)
I tried to set up the network configuration manually but notice that there
are dissimilarities from the RedHat construction; specifically, there is no
     /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
but there is
     /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo

I can ping (only using IP addresses; no DNS) out but not in!

Also, NeTTrom 2.1.7 reports:
     Board ID: 44FF, Serial: 1581, Memory: RAM 64 Mb, flash 1Mb
     Tulip Eth100 card SROM needs to be programmed...

Any suggestions?

darryl (li-cor)

, unlike
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:46:20 -0400
From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Updated vidcap tools?

	Any idea where this stands? ("this" being the vidcap stuff for 2.2)
	The only reason some of my NWs are still DM12 are so they can run the
vidcap erratta. We use them as "black box" surveillance devices (Made a
rubber housing with a monster fan- Works really nice.... Anyhow, I
digress..

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 
> PatB has ported the vidcap driver to 2.2 and will be releasing it
> shortly (or so he told me a week ago).  I'm not sure if it does
> text-mode capture... but sizing and scaling under X seemed to be working
> pretty well.
> 
> As for hardware support...  yes according to the plans, the OfficeServer
> won't have the capture hardware.  However it's merely a de-population
> and removal of connectors, so the video option can be reinstated fairly
> easily if there is sufficient demand.  The same thing goes for the rack
> mount.  Of course the DM (now Developer) model will continue to have the
> full complement of hardware.
> 
> -Ralph
> 
> Jim Blust wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in playing around with the Netwinder's vidcap capabilities,
> > but I'm wondering if development on the vidcap drivers has stopped. The
> > latest in PatB's directory seems to be vidcap-0.2, and that is dated 11
> > months ago. I'd like to use text-mode capturing for a webcam, and I'd be
> > interested in whatever other fun software has been developed, also. Is there
> > anything new, or will Vidcap support go away? (I seem to remember seeing
> > that the OfficeServers won't have the vidcap hardware)...
> >
> > Jim
> 
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:07:59 +0000
From: Mark Granfors <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM15 public 4 and sound

Erik Bunce wrote:
> 
> After installing dm-3.0-15-public4.tar.gz (this time remembering the -p on
> the tar command line ;-) I found
> that sound doesn't work.  When I try 'cat /dev/sndstat' I recieve:
>    cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
> and the following two lines appear in the /var/log/messages files:
>     Oct 28 22:11:35 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
> sound-slot-0
>     Oct 28 22:11:35 cactus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
> sound-service-0-6
> 
...
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Erik Bunce

I've had a similar problem when using the most recent modutils
(2.3.6-1_nw1),
and reverted to using modutils-2.1.121-3nw1 (I think, from February). 
Perhaps
need to add "alias sound-slot-0 waveartist" and/or "alias
sound-service-0-6 waveartist" to the modules.conf (nee conf.modules)
file.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:11:19 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
> Any suggestions?

Use nwconfig.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:47:24 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
> 
> I notice, in dmesg, the following:
>      eth0: Winbond found @ 0x300, IRQ 21, 00:10:15:00:06:2D.
>      IP-Configuration: Incomplete network configuration information.

This is harmless, don't worry about it
 
> I run netconfig (netconfig 0.7.2) and it aborts after the first panel.

Which build?  I suspect it's broken... how about my nifty "nwconfig"
program?

> I can ping (only using IP addresses; no DNS) out but not in!

Firewall?  bad routing?
 
> Also, NeTTrom 2.1.7 reports:
>      Board ID: 44FF, Serial: 1581, Memory: RAM 64 Mb, flash 1Mb
>      Tulip Eth100 card SROM needs to be programmed...

ftp:/netwinder.org/pub/netwinder/kernel/modules/ contains an
"tulip_upgd" (and one for 2.2).  It needs to be insmod'd once to program
the eeprom chip.  Then cycle the power and the tulip should work fine.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:06:20 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> Darryl DeGraff wrote:
> > I run netconfig (netconfig 0.7.2) and it aborts after the first panel.
> 
> Which build?  I suspect it's broken... how about my nifty "nwconfig"
> program?

Works for me.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:50:19 -0700
From: Douglas Todd <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DM 15 and sound -- working

Hello Everyone:

I've just been able to make sound work with DM-15, Version 4.

It took some magic in module.conf.  Here's a copy of the
edited file:

Cool ! Kde with sound

/etc/conf.modules:

alias eth1 tulip
alias net-pf-4 appletalk
alias net-pf-5 ipx
alias net-pf-17 af_packet
alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate
alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc

#alias sound waveartist

options adlib_card io=0x388
post-install sound /sbin/modprobe adlib_card

# Testing DWT
alias char-major-104 off
alias char-major-81 off

alias sound-slot-0 waveartist
alias sound=service-0-3 off
#alias sound-service-0-0 waveartist
#alias sound-service-0-6 waveartist  

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999, Mike Montour wrote:
>Ralph Siemsen wrote:
>
>> Mike Montour wrote:
>>
>> > I also installed dm-3.0-15-public2 last night, and have no sound.
>> > The system seems to load the 'soundcore' and 'sound' modules
>> > without difficulty, but when loading 'waveartist' I get an error
>> > to the effect of "can't allocate DMA3".
>>
>> Hmm... I've used the same kernel on non-dm-3.0 images and sound has not
>> been a problem... odd. Can you post the output of /proc/dma please? (and
>> /proc/cpuinfo while we're at it).
>
>Reverting to kernel 2.2.9-3 produced working sound.
>
>On the DM15 kernel (2.2.12-990907), the error is
>
>Oct  2 20:11:04 netwinder kernel: WaveArtist: Can't allocate DMA3
>
>cat /proc/cpuinfo:
>Processor       : Intel sa110 rev 3
>BogoMips        : 262.14
>Hardware        : Rebel-NetWinder
>Serial #        : 1680
>Revision        : 44ff
>
>cat /proc/dma:
>(blank; prints nothing).
>
>I haven't yet tried to re-compile the kernel with Woody's patch.
>
>--------
>Another small footnote: /dev/null and /tmp lacked world-write permissions,
>causing a couple of programs to fail when not run as root.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:10:15 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
>>> I run netconfig (netconfig 0.7.2) and it aborts after the first panel.

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
>> Which build?  I suspect it's broken... how about my nifty "nwconfig"
>> program?

Andrew Mileski
> Works for me.

After having run 'nwconfig', 'netconfig' does, indeed, run.  However,
I only get the first panel, requesting IP address, net mask, etc.
Should it ask for hostname, etc. (I assume this is the same program
that prompts for such things on a 'normal' RedHat installation)?

Regarding my original post, it appears that the, being quite ignorant
in these matters, I should have run nwconfig (or possibly, netconfig)
after installing the archive.

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:35:43 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: dm15p4, network configuration, redux

This is getting really exciting!!!!!!!!

Thanks for being patient with my ignorance.

How about 10/100 setup?  I ran nwconfig to set it up, too (different
IP address from 10, of course, but everything else is the same).
My hub detects when the interface comes up, but I cannot make
a connection (ping, ftp, etc) and the light at the connector does not
come on.

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:19:59 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration, redux

Darryl DeGraff wrote:

> How about 10/100 setup?  I ran nwconfig to set it up, too (different
> IP address from 10, of course, but everything else is the same).
> My hub detects when the interface comes up, but I cannot make
> a connection (ping, ftp, etc) and the light at the connector does not
> come on.

The LED on the eth1 interface is "polarity challenged"... Known hardware
issue.  It shows the inverse of what it should (ie off most of the
time).  If you hub lights up, then it is working.

Make sure the addresses you assign are not only different, but on
different networks (eg. 10.1.2.3 and 10.1.2.4 are on the same network,
that's bad.  Use 10.1.2.3 and 192.168.0.1 for example.)  Otherwise
routing of packets will not work the way you'd expect.  nwconfig will
try to guess the right gatewaydev from the IP you specify for the
gateway itself. 

Try "route -n" to look at the routing table.  It will show you how the
kernel decides where to send packets.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:42:54 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: dm15p4, network configuration

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
> After having run 'nwconfig', 'netconfig' does, indeed, run.  However,
> I only get the first panel, requesting IP address, net mask, etc.
> Should it ask for hostname, etc. (I assume this is the same program
> that prompts for such things on a 'normal' RedHat installation)?

All of the Red Hat config utils *seem* to be of the single panel
variety (netconfig, authconfig, timeconfig, mouseconfig, etc.)

> Regarding my original post, it appears that the, being quite ignorant
> in these matters, I should have run nwconfig (or possibly, netconfig)
> after installing the archive.

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Date: 2 Nov 1999 06:06:33 GMT
From: Rod Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Titan VI (released)

>From [email-masked] Tue Nov  2 00:56:07 1999 -0500
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:56:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Rod Stewart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Titan VI (released)

Well it's out the door, on the mirror, all ready to go.  A bit late
(something around 6 months if anyone else was counting), but most of the
edges should be rounded now.

For the brave, for the few who want to do what is right and not simply
convenient, for those with too much time on their hands or too much free
bandwidth, or maybe just for you.  For you we have Titan VI.

Titan VI is an ARMv4l distribution which is completely rpm based.  All
source and binary rpms are  provided.    (Note:  It will not work on a
Risc PC).  The nice thing about Titan is it has a versioned libc.

WARNING: these rpms are compiled with versioning enabled
	in libc.  Blindly installing them WILL break your system, if you
	do not already have a versioned system.
	Make certain you understand what you are doing.

	Installing on an extra partition is highly recommended to begin
	with.

Now that that is over with.  Titan VI is based off Red Hat 6.0, with all
the security updates up to October 31, 1999, excluding XFree86 (which is
an old version which does have some known buffer overflows).  A number of
other key updates include:
	kernel 2.2.12 rmk1 CVS-19991026
	glibc 2.1.2
	GCC 2.95.1
	binutils 2.9.5.0.14
	gdb 4.18

Those are the really big ones.  I'll generate a list of all the
differences, and what is missing later this week and put it on the ftp
site.  In short includes most of the good things in Red Hat 6.0, but does
not come with Netscape, or KDE.  It does have GNOME.

Titan VI is frozen, as such baring any great booboos, there will be no
changes to what is in the titan-VI/RPMS and titan-VI/SRPMS directories.
Any security updates will be put in an updates directory.

Well there is a short intro, now for where to get it from.  Titan VI is
available with all the RPMS and SRPMS from:
Primary site (courtesy The Nexus Project http://www.nexus.carleton.ca):
	ftp://ftp.nw.carleton.ca/winder/titan-VI/
Nightly mirror: (courtesy NetWinder.org/Rebel.com)
	ftp://ftp.netwinder.org:/pub/mirrors/carleton/winder/titan-VI

There is also a small tarball available:
Note:  This tarball should also work as an nfs root without any real
	problems (use kernel-BOOT for the kernel you need).
Remember the "p" option when untarring.
	ftp://ftp.nw.carleton.ca/winder/images/
	ftp://ftp.netwinder.org:/pub/mirrors/carleton/winder/images
		titan-VI.tar.bz2   22.4 MB (uncompresses to 96MB)
		listing.rpms.txt (the rpms which are in it)
		modified.txt (list of modifications made before taring)

[bzip2 brought the size down by 6 megs, for those on slow connections]

If this is your first time installing, it might be easier to use the above
image on a spare partition.  Afterwards adding in the rpms which you want.

If you want to be adventurous you can give something similar to the
following a try.  Assuming  /mnt is a mount point, say /dev/hda3

	mkdir -p /mnt/var/lib/rpm
	rpm --initdb --root=/mnt
	cd [location where you have downloaded the rpms]
	find -name \*.rpm |sort > list
	rpm --root=/mnt -ihv `cat list`

Resolve any complaints, ie. remove the following two from "list", as their
dependencies cannot be satisfied.
	Xconfigurator-4.2.3-1.titan.a.armv4l.rpm
	gcc-java-2.95.1-0.titan.g.armv4l.rpm
Resolve any complaints from rpm, either add or remove packages.  You
really do not want to use --nodeps or --force, as rpm will not do it's
magic when these options are used.  If you must use one of them, install
the package after the first set has been installed.

Now you've installed it, why doesn't it work?  Did you remember to create
an /etc/fstab file (or if you used the tar did you remember to uncomment
the lines for your root partitions?

Having trouble loging in?  You most likely need to have shadow passwords,
try something similar to the following before you umount /mnt
	chroot /mnt
	setup  
		enable shadow passwords
	pwconv
	exit
Note: netcfg does not work, so you will have to write your neworking files
by hand, or copy and modify them from another system.

A note on kernels.  
	--you need at least NeTTrom 2.1.7, but I would use at least 2.1.16
	--The kernel rpm is currently very much NetWinder specific, as I
	  did not know what other options are popular.
		Let me know what other options you need, and I'll try to
		add them in future kernels.
	--Most things are modularized, including the ne2k-pci and tulip
	  drivers.
	--The NWFPE is compiled in the kernel
	--The kernel is called /boot/Image (well it is a symlink)
	--If you want to nfs boot, use the kernel-BOOT rpm, which has
	  the ne2k-pci compiled in the kernel, and is setup for nfsroot
	  boots.

I'm certain I've forgotten a few things, but if you've read this far,
thank you.  I'll put some better instructions on the ftp site later this
week.

There is a mailing list for dealing with Titan specific bugs/issues:
	[email-masked]
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Something similar to the following:
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I would like to thank the following for their work on ARM Linux (in
alphabetical order).  All I really did was package this, these are the
people who did a large portion of the work.  Sorry for anybody I missed.
	Scott Bambrough
	Philip Blundell
	Alex Holden
	Russell King
	Andrew E. Mileski
	Douglas Paul
	Jim Pick
	Ralph Siemsen
	Woody Suwalski

- -Rms
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Date: 02 Nov 1999 00:55:50 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Buggy Processor

Hi,

I finished upgrading to the newest disk image and had just completed a
reboot after configuring a whole bunch of stuff.

After login as root, I had just executed a "df" command to check my
partitions.  I was at the bash prompt and pressed the enter key
another time.  I got the following message:

   Buggy processor (00000007) trying to continue.
   Please read http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/state.html

The Web site mentioned in the message describes a possible StrongARM
CPU bug that this guy is tracking.  Apparently the bug is harmless, or
mostly so.

What, if anything, does Rebel.com know about this and what, if
anything, should I do about it.  I would like to know if anybody else
has had this.  I would also like to know if the bug is really
harmless.

I am using a brand new dm15 public4 disk image along with the 2.2.12
kernel that is on it along with the 2.1.7 Nettrom.

Thanks.

Regards,

Arne W. Flones

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Date: 02 Nov 1999 01:26:25 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Speak Freely

What is the endian of the StrongARM?
I am trying to compile Speak Freely which uses a compiler flag for Big
or little endian.

Speak Freely supports Full Duplex cards and drivers.  I know that the
sound card on the NetWinder is supposed to be full duplex. 

Is the driver used on the NetWinder full duplex?

If so, does the driver have a separate device for input and output?
   (E.G., /dev/audio and /dev/audio1)

If so, which device is in and which device is out?

I am getting an error that I've never seen when compiling the 7.1
version of Speak Freely.  It occurs when compiling the GSM compression
library.

   gcc -O3 -c -O --signed-char -DSASR -DNDEBUG -DAUTO_SPARC_HACK \
      -I./inc src/code.c
   /tmp/cc6AgIAv.s: Assembler messages:
   /tmp/cc6AgIAv.s:87: Error Can not represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation
        in this object file format (1)
   /tmp/cc6AgIAv.s:89: Error Can not represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation
        in this object file format (1)
   make[1]: *** [src/code.o] Error 1

Any assistance on this would be appreciated.  Thanks.

I have been able to compile and run previous versions of Speak Freely
on my previous version of my NetWinder with no problems.  This had the
2.0.35 kernel from last December and the 2.04a Nettrom.  

I am currently using the new dm15 public 15 with the 2.1.7 Nettrom.
Every version of Speak Freely reports the same errors when I attempt
the compile.

Thanks for the assistance.

Regards,

Arne

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:48:33 +0000
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Speak Freely 

In message <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] write
s:
>What is the endian of the StrongARM?

Little endian.

>   /tmp/cc6AgIAv.s: Assembler messages:
>   /tmp/cc6AgIAv.s:87: Error Can not represent OFFSET_IMM8 relocation
>        in this object file format (1)

This is a compiler bug (as you've probably guessed).  Scott has some newer 
versions of the tools in his directory on netwinder.org and I imagine this is 
fixed in the latest version there.

p.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:37:04 -0600
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Buggy Processor

Arne W. Flones (flonesaw @ arne.longship.net) wrote:
> What, if anything, does Rebel.com know about this and what, if
> anything, should I do about it.  I would like to know if anybody else
> has had this.  I would also like to know if the bug is really
> harmless.

They certainly know about it.  The trap seems to keep the machine
running.  I have seen it several times and was given a patch for
dm12, but even in that case, the machine kept running; only the
program that it was attempting to execute was aborted (which,
fortunately, in the cases I saw, were not so critical cron jobs.
However, it could be very bad for applications that must run 24/7.).

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:59:43 -0500
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Buggy Processor

[email-masked] wrote:

> The Web site mentioned in the message describes a possible StrongARM
> CPU bug that this guy is tracking.  Apparently the bug is harmless, or
> mostly so.

Indeed, it is harmless as far as we can tell.  In kernel-2.2.9 when this
trap happened, you would get a memory violation with the PC equal to the
fault address, and the program would be killed.  This was very annoying
when it happened to e2fsck, for example.  

Russell King (who runs the website) is trying to keep stats on this bug,
but as all NetWinders are the same CPU, i suspect that he won't get too
much out of everybody trying to report the bug.  (Keep in mind that ARM
linux runs on quite a large number of different machines). Neverthless
you can drop him an email if you wish.  

The message should only appear once (per boot).  Subsequent errors will
not show up on the screen.  If it bothers you (or it interferes with
your application, etc) it can easily be turned off in the kernel
source.  If there is sufficient demand I can put up a binary with the
screen display turned off (it will still go to /var/log/messages).
 
> What, if anything, does Rebel.com know about this and what, if
> anything, should I do about it.  I would like to know if anybody else
> has had this.  I would also like to know if the bug is really
> harmless.

I've seen it on all my boxes here, including those that ran previous
(2.0.35) kernels without a hitch.  I've not been able to find any
ill-effects of this bug.  It just seems that we never noticed it before,
but now it is showing up.
 
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:01:34 -0500 
From: "Latham, Steve" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Video Capture

Is there a video capture device driver currently working with the netwinder
linux?
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Date: 02 Nov 1999 10:22:55 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Speak Freely

Philip Blundell <[email-masked]> writes:
>
> This is a compiler bug (as you've probably guessed).  Scott has some newer 
> versions of the tools in his directory on netwinder.org and I imagine this is 
> fixed in the latest version there.
>

I've looked all over the netwinder.org site in scott's area and the
download area and can't find what you are talking about.  The files on
the tools page seem to all be older than my disk image. (dm15-public4)

Since my mind reader seems to be broke today (:->) I'm sorry that I
have to ask you to provide me a link.

Thank you very much.

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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 13:56:39 -0500
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Speak Freely

[email-masked] wrote:

> I've looked all over the netwinder.org site in scott's area and the
> download area and can't find what you are talking about.  The files on
> the tools page seem to all be older than my disk image. (dm15-public4)

Phil's answer is true in general, but in this case you actually do have
the latest stuff, or very close to it... so you might have a genuine
compiler bug.  Scott will hopefully jump in here and take a look.

Meantime I'd suggest trying -O2 or no optimization at all. 

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