Subject: devel-digest V2 #229
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devel-digest       Thursday, September 16 1999       Volume 02 : Number 229

In this issue:

    Re: We Need Your Help
    SLC 2000 - First Call for papers
    Re: We Need Your Help
    jdk and 8 bit graphics
    jdk status
    Re: jdk and 8 bit graphics
    Re: We Need Your Help
    Re: We Need Your Help
    serial speed question
    NetWinder RM leds
    ptys [Re: Official 2.2 kernel and new firmware released]
    Re: We Need Your Help
    Is the Netwinder target type elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm?
    Re: NetWinder RM leds
    Re: We Need Your Help
    Re: Is the Netwinder target type elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm? 
    Re: We Need Your Help
    Re: serial speed question
    rsync on netwinder.org
    Re: serial speed question
    Re: NetWinder RM leds
    Gnu Privacy Guard
    Re: NetWinder RM leds
    Re: Gnu Privacy Guard
    Re: NetWinder RM leds
    Re: rsync on netwinder.org

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:32:34 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

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I'm interested.  Will we need to upgrade NeTTrom?  What needs
testing?  What sort of time committment do you envision?  I am not
real up on the full content of a distribution and my use of stuff is
probably more limited than most.  But I am willing.

Darryl (li-cor)

                                                                  
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We are giving developers the opportunity to assist us in the final
stages of DM Build 15.  First of all, let me explain the commitment
required.  You will need to download the development image (at least
300Mb), install it, and be willing to work with an unfinished product.
We will provide a list of RPMS that need to be completed, as well as the
software required to help develop the image.  DM build 15 includes all
the latest packages and is based on the 2.2 kernel.  If you are
interested, please email [email-masked].  Thanks.

C.

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:19:30 +0800 (SST)
From: Amlan Saha <[email-masked]>
Subject: SLC 2000 - First Call for papers

		FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS
	Singapore Linux Conference (SLC) 2000
		  March 8-10 2000

This annual conference and expo, started in 1999, aims to draw
world-renowned experts in the exciting field of Linux and showcase
the state of the art in Ecommerce and Linux in the IT hub of 
South-East Asia, Singapore. In this millennial edition, we plan 
a conference of outstanding quality through a  rigorous and open 
review process handled by our team of experts on the Technical 
Program Committee. 

Papers on all aspects of Linux and especially on the following 
topics are solicited: 

	   * security
	   * SSL/encryption/FreeSWAN
	   * Linux in ecommerce
           * expectations in kernel 3.0.0 and 4.0.0
           * ISP operations
           * java (JIT, benchmarks etc..)
           * coda file system
           * IPv6
	   * transition to IPv6 (NGTRANS)
           * office productivity tools
           * scientific community
           * education
           * games
           * e-commerce 
           * user group issues
	   * SMP
	   * beowulf class computing
	   * Internationalisation issues
	   * real time Linux
	   * porting (SA1100, MIPS, etc etc)

Prospective authors are requested to submit full papers for review. 
Electronic submissions are strongly encouraged, which could be
through email or by visiting our website at www.slc2000.com.sg (to be ready
by next week). Hard-copy submissions are also permitted, and three 
copies of the manuscript should be sent to - 

	  Amlan Saha
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You may like to take a note of the following dates -

	  Submission of full paper -	     10th December, 1999
	  Notification of acceptance -	     31st December, 1999
	  Camera ready paper due -	     20th January,  2000

Papers will be rigorously reviewed by the Technical Program
Committee, and reviewers' comments will be relayed to the authors 
on request in the interest of transparency. Please e-mail the 
organisers at <[email-masked]> to ask to join the conference 
mailing list, and to propose tutorial topics.

TUTORIALS
                                                
Prospective tutorial speakers are invited to submit proposals to the
Conference Secretariat. Each proposal should include -

	 * a summary 
	 * a course outline and 
	 * a brief biography of the speaker. 

Proposals complete with the required documents should be sent
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:22:03 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
> Will we need to upgrade NeTTrom?

Yes.

>  What needs testing?

Everything.  Though we are looking for developers not testers.
There are at least 170 RPMS (out of about 1000) that we still need ported.

> What sort of time committment do you envision?

That's up to you.  If you don't intend to submit at least a single
ported RPM, then you should leave this to others and wait for the
final image to be released.

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:52:08 -0500
From: scott hutinger <[email-masked]>
Subject: jdk and 8 bit graphics

BTW, I missed this before, but here it is:

To speed up starting the jdk on 8bit depth graphics (i.e. remote
computer)
set the following (assume using bash for a shell):

export COLORCUBEPATH=$HOME

A file such as /home/srh/colorcube_256_32 will exist after running an
awt related
java app.  The next time it is run, the colorcube file will be read only
if
the COLORCUBEPATH is set and the file is readable.  Much faster response
time
on startup should be found.

I guess I'm not certain where that information goes in the newsgroups?

scott

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:29:35 -0500
From: scott hutinger <[email-masked]>
Subject: jdk status

I can't seem to get a pre-release disk 15 to build java 2 or 1.1.8.
Anyone with motif source and the license, and sun source that is
building RPMS, might consider building the jdk's and JCKing the java 2
stuff for a timely release.

scott

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:00:13 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: jdk and 8 bit graphics

scott hutinger wrote:
> 
> I guess I'm not certain where that information goes in the newsgroups?

Hmm... this is as good a place as any.  I've added the information you
posed to the entry on the Projects page also.  

If developers want to set up project-specific status pages, please do
so.  I'll link to them from the main pages, just let me or Craig
know...  I'm also thinking of splitting the "core" projects (kernel,
compiler, libc, etc) onto a status page of their own, with pointers to
the latest stable and devel versions (a-la kernelnotes.org perhaps...)

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:46:42 -0400
From: Martin Lightheart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

I am interested, but where is image located and what is it called?

I just pulled down NeTTrom 2.1.7 and will install that first.

Is there anything else that I need to install first?  A new kernel?

Martin

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:56:54 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

Martin Lightheart wrote:
> I am interested, but where is image located and what is it called?

In my home directory, where you can find all the latest stuff.
ftp://netwinder.org/devteam/andrewm/redhat/dm-3.0-15-public1.tar.gz
This is a copy of my current working drive, warts and all.  It is
unsupported by Rebel.com, so proceed at your own risk, and run for
cover if you smell smoke or hear a buzzing noise.

> I just pulled down NeTTrom 2.1.7 and will install that first.

A good start.  You'll need that.

> Is there anything else that I need to install first?  A new kernel?

Nope.  The kernel is on the image.

Note that our current partition scheme (scheme_3) is:
  partition 1: /      [50% remaining]
  partition 2: swap   [64 MB]
  partition 3: usr    [50% remaining, max 1 GB]
  partition 4: rescue [10 MB]

Tools for creating images from RPMS and for installing them can be found
in the same area.  Expect to twiddle with them to get them working though
as they are intended for internal usage.  You are mostly on your own in
figuring them out, though that shouldn't be difficult.

More info will be comming shortly on what needs to be completed.

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:29:22 +0200
From: janrinze <[email-masked]>
Subject: serial speed question

Hi there,

I have some applications that depend on serialport
communications. At the moment my serial speed is set
at 115200 b/s. I would like to know if the Netwinder is
capable of faster speeds.

eg. pppd /dev/ttyS0 115200

Jan Rinze.

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:10:27 -0700
From: "Nate 'Dr. Octagon' Gelbard" <[email-masked]>
Subject: NetWinder RM leds

We just unpacked a RM to install as a gateway/router at one of our
offices. Upon bootup, the 10baseT led stays green no matter what.
Is it dead? Is there a shell-level util i can run to check link
status/heartbeat on a connection?

natez

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Straylight Research		       fax   : 516.828.8533

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:37:22 -0400
From: Jamie Guinan <[email-masked]>
Subject: ptys [Re: Official 2.2 kernel and new firmware released]

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 
> An official 2.2 kernel for NetWinder has been released along with
> firware to support it.

<snip>

> Additional information is available at
> http://netwinder.org/~ralphs/kern-2-2-9.html.

I upgraded nettrom and the kernel, the notes there were quite helpful.
Thank you!

My system is loosely based on DM-10 with a pile of unsupported RPMS
over top of it, and I guess my pty devices files were out of sync.  I 
rebuilt telnetd, but it still didn't work, nor did incoming rlogin or 
xterm's to remote displays, both complaing about no pty's.

I had to grab the latest (unsupported, I know) MAKEDEV and run 
"./MAKEDEV pty" to create the pty device files.

This cured my problems with telnetd, rlogind, xterm, and probably
others.

Just thought this might be helpful to others who have a crufty system
like mine and run into similar problems...

- -Jamie

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:21:15 +0200
From: janrinze <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

"Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:

> Martin Lightheart wrote:
> > I am interested, but where is image located and what is it called?
>
> In my home directory, where you can find all the latest stuff.
> ftp://netwinder.org/devteam/andrewm/redhat/dm-3.0-15-public1.tar.gz
> This is a copy of my current working drive, warts and all.  It is
> unsupported by Rebel.com, so proceed at your own risk, and run for
> cover if you smell smoke or hear a buzzing noise.

Well I guess I am the thrillseeking type that should download this tarball.
Just too bad it is not there...

Jan Rinze.

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Date: 15 Sep 1999 09:39:23 -0400
From: [email-masked] (Marc D. Bumble)
Subject: Is the Netwinder target type elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm?

According  to   the  new  binutils,  is  the   Netwinder  target  type
elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm?  Or is it something else and whats
the difference?

marc

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:23 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: NetWinder RM leds

It sounds rather like a hardware problem... there might be some useful
diagnostics logged in /var/log/messages (or dmesg) that could help. 
Does the interface pass packets?

"Nate 'Dr. Octagon' Gelbard" wrote:
> 
> We just unpacked a RM to install as a gateway/router at one of our
> offices. Upon bootup, the 10baseT led stays green no matter what.
> Is it dead? Is there a shell-level util i can run to check link
> status/heartbeat on a connection?
> 
> natez
> 
> Nate Gelbard                           office: 503.284.0369
> Straylight Research                    fax   : 516.828.8533

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Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:15:56 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

Are the new RPMs available on the net somewhere?  I'm already running 2.2 and 
would like to install them on top of my existing system.

Chris

> From:  janrinze <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:21:15 +0200
>
> 
> 
> "Andrew E. Mileski" wrote:
> 
> > Martin Lightheart wrote:
> > > I am interested, but where is image located and what is it called?
> >
> > In my home directory, where you can find all the latest stuff.
> > ftp://netwinder.org/devteam/andrewm/redhat/dm-3.0-15-public1.tar.gz
> > This is a copy of my current working drive, warts and all.  It is
> > unsupported by Rebel.com, so proceed at your own risk, and run for
> > cover if you smell smoke or hear a buzzing noise.
> 
> Well I guess I am the thrillseeking type that should download this tarball.
> Just too bad it is not there...
> 
> Jan Rinze.
> 

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:12:55 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Is the Netwinder target type elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm? 

>According  to   the  new  binutils,  is  the   Netwinder  target  type
>elf32-littlearm or elf32-bigarm?  Or is it something else and whats
>the difference?

It's elf32-littlearm.  The "little" or "big" bit is the endianness of the 
cpu.

p.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:19 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: We Need Your Help

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Are the new RPMs available on the net somewhere?  I'm already running 2.2 and
> would like to install them on top of my existing system.

Andrew keeps all the RPMS in /users/a/andrewm/redhat/ and its
subdirectories.  The disk image was there yesterday; today it has
dissappeared (I will ask Andrew where it went as soon as he gets in). 
Sorry in the meantime.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:25:05 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: serial speed question

I belive that 115200 is the maximum supported by the hardware.  The chip
in question is Winbond SuperIO, details of its features and the data
sheet can be found at http://www.winbond.com.tw/produ/w83977faf.htm if
you want to check.

janrinze wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I have some applications that depend on serialport
> communications. At the moment my serial speed is set
> at 115200 b/s. I would like to know if the Netwinder is
> capable of faster speeds.
> 
> eg. pppd /dev/ttyS0 115200
> 
> Jan Rinze.
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Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:04:48 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: rsync on netwinder.org

I can't figure out how to use rsync to get the RPMs from andrew's directory?

Any clues?

Chris

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:25:51 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: serial speed question

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> 
> I belive that 115200 is the maximum supported by the hardware.  The chip
> in question is Winbond SuperIO, details of its features and the data
> sheet can be found at http://www.winbond.com.tw/produ/w83977faf.htm if
> you want to check.

Actually, the chip can do much better if it is clocked at a higher rate.
However we are not doing that AFAIK.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:01:00 -0700
From: "Sean Hummel" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: NetWinder RM leds

Hmmm.. I have a the same problem, but this happens on my tulip card port. 
The 10/100 card.

The card actually works, but the light stays lit, once the firmware loads.

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>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Newsgroups: netwinder.devel
>Subject: Re: NetWinder RM leds
>Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999, 7:04 AM
>

> It sounds rather like a hardware problem... there might be some useful
> diagnostics logged in /var/log/messages (or dmesg) that could help.
> Does the interface pass packets?
>
> "Nate 'Dr. Octagon' Gelbard" wrote:
>>
>> We just unpacked a RM to install as a gateway/router at one of our
>> offices. Upon bootup, the 10baseT led stays green no matter what.
>> Is it dead? Is there a shell-level util i can run to check link
>> status/heartbeat on a connection?
>>
>> natez
>>
>> Nate Gelbard                           office: 503.284.0369
>> Straylight Research                    fax   : 516.828.8533
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Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:45:38 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Gnu Privacy Guard

Has anyone been working with Gnu Privacy Guard on the NetWinder?

If someone has the work done already to get it running properly I'd 
like to know . . . it'll save me some head scratching this weekend.  
Out-of-the-box source code compiles with only the expected warnings, 
but the resulting binary fails to generate a key (although it'll 
eat as many clock cycles trying as you have to waste).

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:44:20 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: NetWinder RM leds

Sean Hummel wrote:
> Hmmm.. I have a the same problem, but this happens on my tulip card port.
> The 10/100 card.
> 
> The card actually works, but the light stays lit, once the firmware loads.

The 10/100 indicator is backwards.  The indicator goes off for carrier and
on for data.  I think this may even be mentioned in the manual(?)

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:34 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Gnu Privacy Guard

[email-masked] wrote:
> Has anyone been working with Gnu Privacy Guard on the NetWinder?
> 
> If someone has the work done already to get it running properly I'd
> like to know . . . it'll save me some head scratching this weekend.
> Out-of-the-box source code compiles with only the expected warnings,
> but the resulting binary fails to generate a key (although it'll
> eat as many clock cycles trying as you have to waste).

Well, ssh does this to when you don't configure with --disable-asm
Perhaps there is a similar option?  Shot in the dark.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:22:57 -0700
From: "Sean Hummel" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: NetWinder RM leds

Sorry, I am running an older revision of the hardware (I'm not around it 
right this minute, so I can't tell you which), with 2.1.7 netrom.  And
before I installed the 2.1.7 netrom, the tulip card's link light, worked
correctly, (or as I expected it to work anyway.)

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>Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999, 2:44 PM
>

> Sean Hummel wrote:
>> Hmmm.. I have a the same problem, but this happens on my tulip card port.
>> The 10/100 card.
>>
>> The card actually works, but the light stays lit, once the firmware loads.
>
> The 10/100 indicator is backwards.  The indicator goes off for carrier and
> on for data.  I think this may even be mentioned in the manual(?)
>
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Date: 16 Sep 1999 16:58:20 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: rsync on netwinder.org

> From:  [email-masked]
> Date:  15 Sep 1999 15:04:48 GMT
>
> I can't figure out how to use rsync to get the RPMs from andrew's directory
> ?
> 
> Any clues?

The silence is deafening.

here's what I tried:

% rsync netwinder.org::/users/a/andrewm/redhat .
ERROR: The remote path must start with a module name
% rsync netwinder.org::
images          NetWinder Disk Images
ftp             Public FTP area
mirrors         Mirrors of other FTP sites
list-archives   Mailing list archives
redhat          Mirror of Red Hat
redhat-contrib  Mirror of Red Hat Contrib
redhat-updates  Mirror of Red Hat Updates
% rsync netwinder.org::ftp/users/a/andrewm/redhat .
skipping directory users/a/andrewm/redhat
client: nothing to do

So...any ideas?

Chris

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