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devel-digest          Tuesday, July 27 1999          Volume 02 : Number 223

In this issue:

    Wierd vidcap behaviour
    Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour
    Assistance Needed
    Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour
    running my netwinder as a client for ip masq
    Re: Assistance Needed
    Re: Assistance Needed
    Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour
    Testing, please ignore
    Re:customer service mail reply problem
    Re: customer service mail reply problem
    Re: running my netwinder as a client for ip masq
    browser?
    image version
    Re: image version
    Re: image version
    Re: XFree86 RPMs
    glib-1.2.3
    i broke it :)
    Re: browser?
    pilot-link
    Re: XFree86 RPMs
    Re: pilot-link
    Re: glib-1.2.3

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:31:07 -0700
From: Tim Rowledge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Wierd vidcap behaviour

I've been having 'fun' capturing video and compressing it. Unfortunately, it
seems that two sequential reads from /dev/video0 frequently results in frames
that are identical. Yes, we have made sure they shouldn't be, by using a
movie as the source rather than a camera aimed at something static!

For example, a simple test program to capture 320 frames and compare them will
typically report that only 40 frames were different to their predecessor. There
is a real oddity in this - it turns out that adding a "system(''); " to the
loop improves matters considerably. Of course, it also reduces the capture rate
quite a bit :-( We first noticed the problem as a sort of 'stutter' in the
preview window ofan app a bit like xvideum.

Aside from the test program, which I can provide for anyone interested, I have
another test harness (a Squeak VM plugin interface) which shows similar
problems when used to 'only' capture the video. If however I also bung the
pixels down a socket to another machine, it seems to be 'cleaner'. It's a bit
hard to be entirely certain yet because of some problems converting the YUV to
Squeak format pixels.

We have tried assorted combinations of blocking and non-blocking reads along
with just about everything we can think of. We have three dm12 NWs and they
all behave the same. It's very puzzling.
Has anyone been able to get a clean stream of video frames? 
How can you get the vidcap to block until there is a complete _new_ frame to
grab?

tim

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:24:10 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour

While this may not be directly related, I recently noticed that the
"capture.c" program works alot better when compiled with -fsigned-char
rather than the default.  Previously, it would capture bad frames about
50% of the time when run continuously, whereas afterwards the bad frames
are down to maybe 5% or less.  I hadn't noticed this problem before,
since I was only grabbing the occasional frame.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:25:41 -0400
From: "Darren Ellis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Assistance Needed

Hi,

I am running the DM 12 build, I think, with very few modifications.  The
uname -a output is:

Linux chico 2.0.35 #1 Thu Jan 21 15:41:36 EST 1999 armv4l

I am trying to compile rrdtool-1.0.0, and am getting the following errors
when I run:

./configure --host=arm-linux

checking if IEEE math works... nope
checking if IEEE math works with -ieee... nope
checking if IEEE math works with fpsetmask(0)... nope
checking if IEEE math works with signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN)... nope
- --------------------------------------------------------------
Your Compiler does not do propper IEEE math ...
Please find out how to make IEEE math work with your Compiler
and let me know ([email-masked])
Check config.log to see what went wrong ...

Can anyone out there assist?

The relevant portions of the config.log are below:

Thanks!

Darren Ellis
mailto:[email-masked]

- ------------------------------------------------
configure:1610: checking if IEEE math works
configure:1641: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
configure: failed program was:
#line 1618 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
int main(void){
              double a=0.0/0.0;
      double b=22.0;
      double c;
              c=b/a;
      if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      return 0;
             }
configure:1659: checking if IEEE math works with -ieee
configure:1692: gcc -o conftest -ieee   conftest.c -lm  1>&5
configure: failed program was:
#line 1669 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
int main(void){
              double a=0.0/0.0;
      double b=22.0;
      double c;
              c=b/a;
      if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      return 0;
             }
configure:1710: checking if IEEE math works with fpsetmask(0)
configure:1746: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
configure:1721: floatingpoint.h: No such file or directory
configure: failed program was:
#line 1720 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <floatingpoint.h>
int main(void){

      double a=0.0/0.0;
      double b=22.0;
      double c;
      fpsetmask(0);
              c=b/a;
      if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      return 0;
             }
configure:1764: checking if IEEE math works with signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN)
configure:1799: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
In file included from
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linuxelf/2.8.1/include/signal.h:302,
                 from configure:1775:
/usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or
directory
configure: failed program was:
#line 1774 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
#include <signal.h>
      int main(void){
              double a=0.0/0.0;
      double b=22.0;
      double c;
      signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN);
              c=b/a;
      if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
      if (c>0.0) return 1;
      return 0;
             }

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:39:22 -0400
From: Kailash Bhatia <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour

Hey Tim,

What capture software are you using and where can i get it... I would love to
capture video from my netwinder :)

BTW.... Does anyone have a IP masq server that is connected to their netwinder? My
ip masq server (pIII 550, Redhat 6.0, 265 mb sdram) starts beeping as soon as the
netwinder uses the net (IP MASQ DOES WORK). The beeping is coming from the
internal speaker.

Nitin Bhatia

Tim Rowledge wrote:

> I've been having 'fun' capturing video and compressing it. Unfortunately, it
> seems that two sequential reads from /dev/video0 frequently results in frames
> that are identical. Yes, we have made sure they shouldn't be, by using a
> movie as the source rather than a camera aimed at something static!
>
> For example, a simple test program to capture 320 frames and compare them will
> typically report that only 40 frames were different to their predecessor. There
> is a real oddity in this - it turns out that adding a "system(''); " to the
> loop improves matters considerably. Of course, it also reduces the capture rate
> quite a bit :-( We first noticed the problem as a sort of 'stutter' in the
> preview window ofan app a bit like xvideum.
>
> Aside from the test program, which I can provide for anyone interested, I have
> another test harness (a Squeak VM plugin interface) which shows similar
> problems when used to 'only' capture the video. If however I also bung the
> pixels down a socket to another machine, it seems to be 'cleaner'. It's a bit
> hard to be entirely certain yet because of some problems converting the YUV to
> Squeak format pixels.
>
> We have tried assorted combinations of blocking and non-blocking reads along
> with just about everything we can think of. We have three dm12 NWs and they
> all behave the same. It's very puzzling.
> Has anyone been able to get a clean stream of video frames?
> How can you get the vidcap to block until there is a complete _new_ frame to
> grab?
>
> tim

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:43:19 -0400
From: Kailash Bhatia <[email-masked]>
Subject: running my netwinder as a client for ip masq

hello netwinder ppl,

I have a Pentium III 550  IP-MASQ Server [it has a dial up connection
:(  .. ] running Redhat 6.0 with kernel 2.2.10. I have my netwinder box
setup as an ip masq client using eth1 (the 100 base t nic). IP masq does
work, and i can access the web from my netwinder, but the problem is
that as soon as my netwinder accesses the web, my ip masq server's
internal speaker starts to beep like an alarm...

Please help,

Nitin Bhatia

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:14 -0400
From: scottb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Assistance Needed

Hi Darren,

Can you tell me where to find rrdtool, and I will check it out.

Scott

Darren Ellis wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am running the DM 12 build, I think, with very few modifications.  The
> uname -a output is:
> 
> Linux chico 2.0.35 #1 Thu Jan 21 15:41:36 EST 1999 armv4l
> 
> I am trying to compile rrdtool-1.0.0, and am getting the following errors
> when I run:
> 
> ./configure --host=arm-linux
> 
> checking if IEEE math works... nope
> checking if IEEE math works with -ieee... nope
> checking if IEEE math works with fpsetmask(0)... nope
> checking if IEEE math works with signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN)... nope
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Your Compiler does not do propper IEEE math ...
> Please find out how to make IEEE math work with your Compiler
> and let me know ([email-masked])
> Check config.log to see what went wrong ...
> 
> Can anyone out there assist?
> 
> The relevant portions of the config.log are below:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Darren Ellis
> mailto:[email-masked]
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> configure:1610: checking if IEEE math works
> configure:1641: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
> configure: failed program was:
> #line 1618 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
> int main(void){
>               double a=0.0/0.0;
>       double b=22.0;
>       double c;
>               c=b/a;
>       if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       return 0;
>              }
> configure:1659: checking if IEEE math works with -ieee
> configure:1692: gcc -o conftest -ieee   conftest.c -lm  1>&5
> configure: failed program was:
> #line 1669 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
> int main(void){
>               double a=0.0/0.0;
>       double b=22.0;
>       double c;
>               c=b/a;
>       if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       return 0;
>              }
> configure:1710: checking if IEEE math works with fpsetmask(0)
> configure:1746: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
> configure:1721: floatingpoint.h: No such file or directory
> configure: failed program was:
> #line 1720 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
> #include <floatingpoint.h>
> int main(void){
> 
>       double a=0.0/0.0;
>       double b=22.0;
>       double c;
>       fpsetmask(0);
>               c=b/a;
>       if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       return 0;
>              }
> configure:1764: checking if IEEE math works with signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN)
> configure:1799: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c -lm  1>&5
> In file included from
> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linuxelf/2.8.1/include/signal.h:302,
>                  from configure:1775:
> /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or
> directory
> configure: failed program was:
> #line 1774 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
> #include <signal.h>
>       int main(void){
>               double a=0.0/0.0;
>       double b=22.0;
>       double c;
>       signal(SIGFPE,SIG_IGN);
>               c=b/a;
>       if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       return 0;
>              }

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:47:28 -0400
From: scottb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Assistance Needed

Darren Ellis wrote:
> 
> Please find out how to make IEEE math work with your Compiler
> and let me know ([email-masked])

AFAIK, the following should work:

gcc -o conftest conftest.c -lm -lieee

but it doesn't seem to.

> #line 1618 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
> int main(void){
>       double a=0.0/0.0;
>       double b=22.0;
>       double c;
>       c=b/a;
>       if (!isnan(c)) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a==c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a>=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;
>       return 0;
> }

In my tests:

>       c=a<=c?1.0:0.0;
>       if (c>0.0) return 1;

returns 1.  a is a NAN, and C = 1.0, and a <= c should fail by my
estimate.  This happens on 2.0.35 with the Acorn FPE, and on 2.2.9-1
with the NWFPE.  Looks like a bug I will have to investigate.

Scott

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:24:53 -0700
From: Tim Rowledge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Wierd vidcap behaviour

Kailash Bhatia <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Hey Tim,
>
>What capture software are you using and where can i get it... I would love to
>capture video from my netwinder :)
>
Well, start with /usr/diags/vidcap/* and see if that works for you. I'm using
various programs I've written over the last few infuriating, exasperating
months. 

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Date: 22 Jul 1999 20:37:21 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Testing, please ignore

I'm just making sure that I can post to the netwinder server using exmh.  
Sorry to use the bandwidth.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:32:35 -0700
From: Gordon Bryck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:customer service mail reply problem

Thanks for resetting my dev. password.

Sorry to bother you, but your email address
is the only one that I know works.

The following bounced back.
Netwinder is on it's way back via post,
for NetRom update, and conversion from WS to DM.

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The original message was received at Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
from dynamic49.pm04.san-rafael.best.com [206.184.127.241]

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    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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rebel.com: host not found)

Reporting-MTA: dns; proxy4.ba.best.com
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Final-Recipient: RFC822; [email-masked]
Action: failed
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Remote-MTA: DNS; rebel.com
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Received: from [206.184.127.241] (dynamic49.pm04.san-rafael.best.com 
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:44:57 -0700
To: Zybina Mohamed <[email-masked]>
From: Gordon Bryck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Return of Netwinder
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

Can you provide an estimate of the charges ?

>Hi Gord:
>
>Further to our telephone conversation, please return the Netwinder to
>the following address and quote the reference number on the box.
>
>SHIP TO:
>
>REBEL.COM
>CUSTOMER SUPPORT RECEIVING
>1980 MERIVALE ROAD
>NEPEAN, ON
>K2G 1G4
>
>REF#: CAR 7146
>
>Please note that you will be responsible for shipping charges.  As well,
>there will be a charge incurred for this upgrade from WS to DM.
>
>Please call me if you have any questions regarding the above.
>Kindest regards,
>Zybina Mohamed
(613) 723-9061 ext. 271
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:04:01 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: customer service mail reply problem

Internic "lost" the rebel.com domain yesterday, so all email/web to that
site was not working. Netwinder.org was not affected. The situation is
fixed now and hopefully all the root dns servers have had a chance to
update their information by now.  Sorry for the inconvenience,
unfortunately there was nothing we could do about it except complain to
internic.

Gordon, please try resending your message to zybina... it should go
through now.  

Gordon Bryck wrote:
 
> The following bounced back.
> Netwinder is on it's way back via post,
> for NetRom update, and conversion from WS to DM.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:19:08 -0400
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: running my netwinder as a client for ip masq

This could be a bug in RH6, or perhaps the speaker cable is connected to
the wrong place in your PC?  Have you tried to access the internet from
some other machine through your PC (other than the netwinder, I mean)?  
If the beeping happens only when the NetWinder connects, this would be
most interesting indeed, but if all machines do it, then it's a
"feature" that has somehow been enabled on your RH6 machine.  In that
case you're probably best off to check the redhat mailing lists as there
are more people there who would have noticed this (i've not heard of it
before, so i suspect hardware is the troublemaker).

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:58:51 -0700
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: browser?

Greetings,	
	What graphical/X11 browsers are avail for the netwinder?
I tried mnemonic recently, but its going to need some tweeking
to compile.
	
	thanx
		natez

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:00:30 -0700
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: image version

I've got a netwinder DM. The bannder says Redhat 5.1, DM 2.1 build 12.
Is this the newest version of the disk image? Are there other distribs
avail for the netwinder? I'm not real fond of RedHat.

thanx
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Date: 23 Jul 1999 19:23:34 GMT
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: image version

On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:00:30 -0700, Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I've got a netwinder DM. The bannder says Redhat 5.1, DM 2.1 build 12.
>Is this the newest version of the disk image? Are there other distribs
>avail for the netwinder? I'm not real fond of RedHat.
>

There's titan (ftp.nw.carleton.ca), however it's also redhat (RPM) based.
This is what I am currently using, it was kind of a pain to install, but
has been working fine ever since.  I replaced the initscripts and removed
pam to make it a little less redhat like.  There is also a Debian port, but 
when I tried it 4 - 5 months ago, I didn't like it.  It seemed to be lacking
enough packages to get a good base system going.

Can anyone comment on how it is now?  I'd be interested in trying it out 
again.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:50:58 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: image version

Nathan Gelbard wrote:
> I've got a netwinder DM. The bannder says Redhat 5.1, DM 2.1 build 12.
> Is this the newest version of the disk image? Are there other distribs
> avail for the netwinder? I'm not real fond of RedHat.

DM Build 12 is the latest shipping image, though I was told to get build 13
ready for shipping next week <shudder>

Build 14, "the bastard child", or "the build that never was", is actually
the most current publically available...unless you build your own using
all the RPMS in my home directory.  This build was never released because
X is broken, and it has several other minor bugs.

Build 14 is the start of the 100% RPM based disk images.  It and all
following images are built from an empty disk by installing RPMS, so the
database is actually correct and useful.

Build 15 is not yet available as an image, but all the RPMS are (see above).
The last test image I built uses a 2.2.9 kernel, and holds the record
for the longest uptime (>16 days) of one of my development machines.  My
machines really get tortured by continuous compiling, and previous builds
didn't make it to 4 days.  I'm currently rebuilding a disk image with
2.2.9 kernel headers (it was previously built with 2.0.35 headers).

If I get a chance, I'll put out a base image of my current work (about
30 MB compressed, 100 MB uncompressed),  which gives you a completely
useable system (no development tools or X).  From this point, you can add
any RPMS you want; this is how I build the DM disk image, and in the future
all product images.
   
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Date: 23 Jul 1999 20:33:07 GMT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: XFree86 RPMs

> From:  "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:20:02 -0400
>
> Chris Garrigues wrote:
> > > For bleeding edge stuff, with the associated risks, see:
> > >   ftp://netwinder.org/devteam/andrewm/redhat/
> > 
> > When I get cut on the bleeding edge, should I send bug reports directly t
> o you
> > or post them to the group?
> 
> Probably the group.
> 
> > Running xterm gives me:
> > 
> > xterm: Error 14, errno 13: Permission denied
> > 
> > This happens either ssh'd in to the system or on the console.
> > 
> > This is 3.3.3.1-36nw3, btw.
> 
> Are you running build 14?  You will need it...but even then X is broken
> in build 14.  See the other rmessages on this build, and I think Ralph
> (~ralphs) has a web page on the builds and bugs.

Yeah.  I'm running Build 14.  I see things haven't progressed all that much in 
the 2 months or so that I've been absent.

I was the one who caused the leak about Build 14 when I wanted a setup which 
would allow me to have / and /usr in different partitions.  For me, the use of 
X is a convenience on this box not a necessity.  I gather from your mail to Nathan 
Gelbard that X may not work in Build 15 either.  C'est la vie.  I guess I'll 
wait and worry about all the non-Netwinder things that take up my time for now.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:46:29 -0700
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: glib-1.2.3

Trying to build glib-1.2.3 (for mnemonic the web browser).
I've never dealt with ASM problems like this. Any thoughts?

[gelbardn@netwinder glib-1.2.3]$ make
make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'Making all
in .
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib     -g
- -O2 -Wall  -D_REENTRANT -c testglib.c
/tmp/ccpxVoTc.s: Assembler messages:
/tmp/ccpxVoTc.s:6228: Error: Can not represent OFFSET_IMM relocation in
this object file format (1)
make[2]: *** [testglib.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:10:45 -0700
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: i broke it :)

i've been busy installing egcs 1.1.1, libc 2.1, et al today,
and i forgot to install ld-linux 2 before ldconfig, and blammo.
init: /usr/lib/ld.so.1: no version info avail (required by
/usr/lcaol/lib/libc.so.6)

error in loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/libc.so.6:
symbol _dl_sysdep_start, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in
file ld-linux.so.2 w/ link time reference

anyway

in days of lore computers had floppys :) how can i boot and
rm libc.6 and rerun ldconfig?

thanx
natez

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:47:36 -0400
From: Mark Lord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: browser?

Nathan Gelbard wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
>         What graphical/X11 browsers are avail for the netwinder?

The best one so far seems to be the KDE filemanager.
There is a full KDE-1.1 binary packeage on the ftp site somewhere.

Actually, the BEST one is Netscape Navigator,
but that has not yet escaped from Rebel.com
(I did see it and play with it in their demo room, though).
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:01:06 -0700
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: pilot-link

trying to build pilot-link 0.9.0.
./configure
checking host system type... Invalid configuration
`armv4l-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `armv4l-unknown' not recognized

...

ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no-verify'
Try `ltconfig --help' for more information.
configure: error: libtool configure failed

other ./configures get past this just fine. any thoughts?

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:30:50 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: XFree86 RPMs

[email-masked] wrote:
> Yeah.  I'm running Build 14.  I see things haven't progressed all that much in
> the 2 months or so that I've been absent.
> 
> I was the one who caused the leak about Build 14 when I wanted a setup which
> would allow me to have / and /usr in different partitions.  For me, the use of
> X is a convenience on this box not a necessity.  I gather from your mail to Nathan
> Gelbard that X may not work in Build 15 either.  C'est la vie.  I guess I'll
> wait and worry about all the non-Netwinder things that take up my time for now.

It seems to be a compiler problem.  A statement like ptr->field = x
is comming out ptr->field = 0.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:33:41 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: pilot-link

Nathan Gelbard wrote:
> 
> trying to build pilot-link 0.9.0.
> ./configure
> checking host system type... Invalid configuration
> `armv4l-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `armv4l-unknown' not recognized

Try "libtoolize --copy --force" if you are playing with build 14.
In a RPM, replace ./configure with %configure or %GNUconfigure

Otherwise you need to add armv4l to config.sub

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:46:04 -0400
From: scottb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: glib-1.2.3

An updated compiler should fix this problem.

Nathan Gelbard wrote:
> 
> Trying to build glib-1.2.3 (for mnemonic the web browser).
> I've never dealt with ASM problems like this. Any thoughts?
> 
> [gelbardn@netwinder glib-1.2.3]$ make
> make  all-recursive
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'Making all
> in .
> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib     -g
> -O2 -Wall  -D_REENTRANT -c testglib.c
> /tmp/ccpxVoTc.s: Assembler messages:
> /tmp/ccpxVoTc.s:6228: Error: Can not represent OFFSET_IMM relocation in
> this object file format (1)
> make[2]: *** [testglib.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gelbardn/packages/glib-1.2.3'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> 
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