Subject: devel-digest V2 #181
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devel-digest          Thursday, May 27 1999          Volume 02 : Number 181

In this issue:

    Newest DM and URL?
    Re: Updating NetWinder, was Re: My memory sucks...RH6?
    Re: Newest DM and URL?
    Re: Newest DM and URL?
    eth1 in build 14?
    Re: eth1 in build 14?
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    at daemon in build 14
    Re: eth1 in build 14?
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    Re: eth1 in build 14?
    While we're discussing SSH
    rpmfind.net
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    tar in build 14
    Re: at daemon in build 14
    Re: rpmfind.net
    Re: rpmfind.net 
    Re: While we're discussing SSH
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    Re: eth1 in build 14?
    Re: NetWinder development
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    Re: eth1 in build 14? 
    Re: While we're discussing SSH
    Re: While we're discussing SSH
    Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda
    Patches patches patches
    Re: Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda
    Re: Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda 
    Vidcap performance problems
    FTP/NFS
    Re: Vidcap performance problems
    THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Newsgroup vs. Usenet Erratta
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    E-Mail vs newsgroupsRe: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    Re: Newsgroup vs. Usenet Erratta
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: Vidcap performance problems
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE
    Newsgroups vs mailing list
    Re: E-Mail vs newsgroupsRe: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 
    Re: Newsgroups vs mailing list 

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:09:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris McKillop <[email-masked]>
Subject: Newest DM and URL?

I am looking for the new rawhide based DM.  Where is it on the FTP
site (ftp.netwinder.org)?  Thanks.

	Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:41:27 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Updating NetWinder, was Re: My memory sucks...RH6?

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> That's too bad. But, maybe I can help.
> 
> I will volunteer to fully document the update process for N.O. if
> somebody would get me started by pointing me in the right direction.

You're in luck... I spent most of the weekend writing the "Upgrade HOWTO",
which will be available at www.netwinder.org/~ralphs/howto/ shortly.  It
still is missing some sections and perhaps could use some review by people
who actually use it.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:43:03 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Newest DM and URL?

Chris McKillop wrote:
> 
> I am looking for the new rawhide based DM.  Where is it on the FTP
> site (ftp.netwinder.org)?  Thanks.

It hasn't been officially released, because of instabilities in the x server
and compiler.   However a tarball was recently discovered in andrewm's
redhat directory, if you really can't wait!

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:09:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris McKillop <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Newest DM and URL?

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Ralph Siemsen wrote:

> Chris McKillop wrote:
> > 
> > I am looking for the new rawhide based DM.  Where is it on the FTP
> > site (ftp.netwinder.org)?  Thanks.
> 
> It hasn't been officially released, because of instabilities in the x server
> and compiler.   However a tarball was recently discovered in andrewm's
> redhat directory, if you really can't wait!
> 

	I can wait since it is X problems that I am trying to get rid 
of - I don't want any more then I already have!!!! :)

	Thanks,
	Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:27:40 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: eth1 in build 14?

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Okay, I've just rebuilt my box using build 14 with separate /usr and /var 
partitions like I like it.  For some reason, I can't get eth1 to work.

'ifconfig eth1' prints:

eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found

Is the tulip driver missing from the build or something?

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:00 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14?

Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> Okay, I've just rebuilt my box using build 14 with separate /usr and /var
> partitions like I like it.  For some reason, I can't get eth1 to work.
> 
> 'ifconfig eth1' prints:
> 
> eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found

try 'insmod tulip' first.. then it should work.

or, edit/create /etc/conf.modules and put in the line:

alias eth1 tulip

Then all should be well.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:52:37 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

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> From:  Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:00 +0000
>
> Chris Garrigues wrote:
> > 
> > Okay, I've just rebuilt my box using build 14 with separate /usr and /var
> > partitions like I like it.  For some reason, I can't get eth1 to work.
> > 
> > 'ifconfig eth1' prints:
> > 
> > eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
> 
> try 'insmod tulip' first.. then it should work.
> 
> or, edit/create /etc/conf.modules and put in the line:
> 
> alias eth1 tulip
> 
> Then all should be well.

You know...I thought about that and then didn't do it...

Two more brief items:

1) Does anyone have an ssh RPM?  (I know the lectures about how I shouldn't 
trust security software that was built by someone else and I should build it 
myself.)

2) There are no armv4l entries in the database at rpmfind.net; it would be 
nice if ...

I've now got a /usr/src/redhat directory which is crossmounted between i386, 
ppc, and armv4l.  As I get things cleaned up around here that should make it 
easy for me to build SRPMs for all these platforms.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:05:23 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

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> From:  Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:00 +0000
>
> try 'insmod tulip' first.. then it should work.
> 
> or, edit/create /etc/conf.modules and put in the line:
> 
> alias eth1 tulip
> 
> Then all should be well.

This is odd...'insmod tulip' works, but putting 'alias eth1 tulip' in
/etc/conf.modules seems to have no effect.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:10:19 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: at daemon in build 14

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the at daemon doesn't appear to get started in build 14.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:09:54 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14?

Chris Garrigues wrote:

> 1) Does anyone have an ssh RPM?  (I know the lectures about how I shouldn't
> trust security software that was built by someone else and I should build it
> myself.)

We can't distribute a binary for legal reasons.  See the FAQ for info on
building ssh - version 1.26 is known to work well.
 
> 2) There are no armv4l entries in the database at rpmfind.net; it would be
> nice if ...

Hmm... yet another web search engine.. there are getting to be too many.  So
far as i know nobody is officially mirroring the arm packages for NetWinder.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> 1) Does anyone have an ssh RPM?  (I know the lectures about how I shouldn't 
> trust security software that was built by someone else and I should build it 
> myself.)

Take a look at the following source rpms:

	ftp.nw.carleton.ca/pub/winder/
		titanIV/extra/SRPMS/ssh-1.2.26-2i.titan.a.src.rpm
		titanIV/extra/SRPMS/ssh-1.2.26-4i.titan.a.src.rpm

The -2i one does not have PAM support, where as -4i does.  These should
build cleanly.  They have Russell King's patches, as well as one other to
make them build with the latest glibc.

Use at your own risk.

Note:  Do not use the binray rpms from this site unless you are running a
versioned glibc (If you have to ask, then you are not..)  as you risk
killing/trashing your system.

You might also want to grab and rebuild gmp from the same site, I think in
	pub/winder-testing/pre_titanVI/SRPMS
as it has some arm optimizations, and a fix or two.  Not certain if these
are in the stuff from rebel.com.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:24:57 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14?

> > 1) Does anyone have an ssh RPM?  (I know the lectures about how I shouldn't
> > trust security software that was built by someone else and I should build it
> > myself.)
> 
> We can't distribute a binary for legal reasons.  See the FAQ for info on
> building ssh - version 1.26 is known to work well.

Maybe I'll put together a SRPM that people can build themselves...

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:24:05 -0400
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Subject: While we're discussing SSH

	Has anyone gotten SSH2 working reliably? Just wondering.....

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:24:46 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: rpmfind.net

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> From:  Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 1999 15:09:54 +0000
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> > 2) There are no armv4l entries in the database at rpmfind.net; it would be
> > nice if ...
> 
> Hmm... yet another web search engine.. there are getting to be too many.  So
> far as i know nobody is officially mirroring the arm packages for NetWinder.

Actually, rpmfind isn't really a search engine, it's software you run on your 
own system to find RPMs.  It wouldn't be difficult to setup an arm specific 
database for netwinder.org.  What's nice about it is that you can ask to download 
a given RPM if it's out of date along with any other RPMs that it's dependent on.

What's actually on rpmfind is a sample database generated with another tool which
generates HTML out of the database.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Chris Garrigues wrote:

> This is odd...'insmod tulip' works, but putting 'alias eth1 tulip' in
> /etc/conf.modules seems to have no effect.

Did anyone at rebel/hcc/??? ever fix modutiles?  You need a patch 
for modules probeing to work properly.  Rebuild this modutils
package:
	ftp.nw.carleton.ca
		/pub/winder-testing/pre_titanVI/SRPMS/modutils.XX

Without this patch modprobe does not work properly...

All the rpms on ftp.nw.carleton.ca should be signed with my PGP key,
available on said site.  I make no guarentees, but...

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:39:02 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: tar in build 14

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Sorry to be generating so much traffic on this list, but...

Another question:  I noticed that there's an amanda RPM included as part of 
build 14.  Does the tar included have the amanda patch to it?

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:03:10 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: at daemon in build 14

Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> the at daemon doesn't appear to get started in build 14.

chkconfig atd on

should solve that (unless the daemon itself is broken).

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:04:27 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: rpmfind.net

Chris Garrigues wrote:
>
> Actually, rpmfind isn't really a search engine, it's software you run on your
> own system to find RPMs.  It wouldn't be difficult to setup an arm specific
> database for netwinder.org.  What's nice about it is that you can ask to download
> a given RPM if it's out of date along with any other RPMs that it's dependent on.

Hmm... maybe somebody would care to try porting it... might compile out of
the box if you're lucky.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:22:19 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: rpmfind.net 

> From:  Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 1999 16:04:27 +0000
>
> Chris Garrigues wrote:
> >
> > Actually, rpmfind isn't really a search engine, it's software you run on 
> your
> > own system to find RPMs.  It wouldn't be difficult to setup an arm specif
> ic
> > database for netwinder.org.  What's nice about it is that you can ask to 
> download
> > a given RPM if it's out of date along with any other RPMs that it's depen
> dent on.
> 
> Hmm... maybe somebody would care to try porting it... might compile out of
> the box if you're lucky.

I know a hint when I hear one.  I suspect it probably will.

At the moment, I'm racing to get everything I can off the x86 box that I'm 
using which my partner sold last night.  (Until 2 hours ago, I was netbooting 
my netwinder off of it.)  I'll certainly put it on my list if someone else 
doesn't do it first.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:21:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: While we're discussing SSH

It's been running fine on my netwinder running titanIV.  I think I may
have had to comment out a couple of lines to get it to compile, but other
than that it wasn't a big deal to get it running.  I have noticed, maybe
twice in a month of contant use, that when it asks for the password it
will start looping the password prompt indefinately.  Not a big deal to
me. 

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Matthew Keller wrote:

> 
> 	Has anyone gotten SSH2 working reliably? Just wondering.....
> 
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:31:24 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

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> From:  "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Tue, 25 May 1999 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT)
>
> 
> On Tue, 25 May 1999, Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> > This is odd...'insmod tulip' works, but putting 'alias eth1 tulip' in
> > /etc/conf.modules seems to have no effect.
> 
> Did anyone at rebel/hcc/??? ever fix modutiles?  You need a patch 
> for modules probeing to work properly.  Rebuild this modutils
> package:
> 	ftp.nw.carleton.ca
> 		/pub/winder-testing/pre_titanVI/SRPMS/modutils.XX
> 
> Without this patch modprobe does not work properly...

For the time being, I kludged around this by sticking a modprobe in
	/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1

I note that Rod's modutils is 2.1.107, but the one I got as part of build 14 
is 2.1.121.  Is it worth downgrading to get Rod's modutils; should I live with 
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else merges these since at some point today I have some real work to get done.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:52:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14?

Chris Garrigues wrote:

> This is odd...'insmod tulip' works, but putting 'alias eth1 tulip' in
> /etc/conf.modules seems to have no effect.

Works fine here... 'modprobe eth1' then loads the tulip driver.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:21:24 -0400
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Subject: Re: NetWinder development

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The StrongARM is alive and well and will continue to be our focus and from
feedback it will become part of our Solution Partners plans.
We just came back from Linux Expo and 99% of the interest and attention in our
booth was on the NetWinder ARM box and not x86. ( And we were busy)
The StrongARM does have great features for the right customer, and has an
excellant value story as a server or appliance solution.
The end result of Linux Expo was we had companies and developers that were slow
to return calls approach us and said they would port to ARM and NetWinder.

Scott Bambrough wrote:

> The NetWinder is not ready for the deceased hardware heap yet!  Rebel.com is
> just gearing up a sales push, and the NetWinder features in a lot of our
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> Scott
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Chris Garrigues wrote:
> 
> I note that Rod's modutils is 2.1.107, but the one I got as part of build 14 
> is 2.1.121.  Is it worth downgrading to get Rod's modutils; should I live with 
> my kludge for now; or should I take the effort to apply his patch to the other 
> RPM)?  I'm leaning towards living with my kludge and waiting until someone 
> else merges these since at some point today I have some real work to get done.

No, if someone at Rebel put the ARM patches in 2.1.121, then use it.  It
should have the necessary patches, for modprobe to work properly..

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:44:57 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: eth1 in build 14? 

>No, if someone at Rebel put the ARM patches in 2.1.121, then use it.  It
>should have the necessary patches, for modprobe to work properly..

Modutils 2.2.2-pre6 seems OK on my machines, for what that's worth.  I put 
in some ARM-related changes (from the organisation formerly known as HCC) on 
March 17, according to the ChangeLog.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:37:02 -0400
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Subject: Re: While we're discussing SSH

Matthew,
                    I always had problems with certain commands freezing
up my ssh session on my linux firewall.  This was an intel box so I know
that doesn't really apply to the netwinder but I thought I would make
the comment.  I switched back to SSH1 and everything works fine.

Sam

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Subject: Re: While we're discussing SSH

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> Matthew,
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> that doesn't really apply to the netwinder but I thought I would make
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	Yes, I have SSH1 working flawlessly(?) on my Netwinder. SSH2 will build
with modifications, but the client will not connect to any SSH2 servers.

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:10:24 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda

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I just did my first amcheck -c with my netwinder in the disklist and I got 
this output:

Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check
- --------------------------------
ERROR: highdive.deepeddy.com: [dir /tmp needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.]
ERROR: highdive.deepeddy.com: [dir /tmp/amanda needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.]
ERROR: highdive.deepeddy.com: [dir /etc needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.]
Client check: 6 hosts checked in 1.453 seconds, 3 problems found.

Looking at the code, it appears that STATFS_AVAIL(statbuf) must be returning 
zero.  The source has this comment above the part of the source that 
determines the definition of this macro:

/*
 * You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.
 * Begin retching now.
 */

I did not use the amanda RPM which was part of build 14 on the netwinder in 
order to keep amanda consistent with the configuration it has on my other systems.  
Is there a needed amanda patch to make it work on the netwinder?

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:24:38 +0100 (BST)
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Subject: Patches patches patches

Hi All,

Ok, we have two patches today for your enjoyment:

* patch-2.2.9-rmk2.gz

  - fix to ptrace.h (PhilB) to fix security hole.

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Date: 25 May 1999 20:22:10 -0300
From: Alexandre Oliva <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda

On May 25, 1999, "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> ERROR: highdive.deepeddy.com: [dir /tmp needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.]

Please check the patches page if you're running glibc 2.1

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:45:36 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Backing up a Netwinder with Amanda 

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> Please check the patches page if you're running glibc 2.1

That was it.  Thanks a bunch.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:38:08 -0700 (BST)
From: Tim Rowledge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Vidcap performance problems

Now that I can sort-of make video capture sork, I've been trying to determine
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A simple loop (derived from the code in /usr/diags/vidcap/new_test.c) that
opens the device, reads 50 frames and does nothing at all with them and just
prints the time taken implies that at 704*480 I can only grab ~10 frames per
second. If I cut it down to 352*240, I get ~40 fps, which makes me wonder if
there is some bandwidth problem getting in the way. Doing anything like writing
to files cuts me down to ~3fps!

Since a 704*480*16bpp frame is only 670kb-ish, I can't quite see where all the
performance is being sucked up. I certainly hope there is some way to improve
things, since I have to grab frames 'real time', compress them and get them
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:03:26 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: FTP/NFS

Anyone know when the NFS problem at netwinder.org witll be fixed?  I'd
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:47:15 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Vidcap performance problems

It does depend a bit on how the device is opened.  IF you open in blocking
mode, as the examples do, then on each read, the driver waits for
top-of-frame (sometimes it takes two frames) before delivering an image.  If
you don't block, the driver returns 0 repeatedly until there is enough
information to give a complete image.  So in the latter mode if you simply
poll it and display the results, you'll get a green screen (error=-1 turns
out to be green) most of the time.

There is definately alot of tweaking to be done here.  I don't know if there
are any video4linux experts out there, i'd be interested to know if the
drivers that are in the 2.2 kernel work (and how they fare).

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:20:21 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Folks,

While word of a "build #14" has slipped out, please don't waste your or our
bandwidth trying to download it.  This image is not ready for consumption
even by developers.  Ask those few who have tried it.  The X server is
horribly crippled, simple apps like xterm dump core immediately. 
The debugger doesn't work with 2.2 and the compiler crashes mysteriously
after the system has been building stuff for a while.  We are working to get
things stable.

The image was not meant to go out.  There will be no build #14 as a result. 
The next official release will be known as build #15, so as to avoid any
confusion.

While I've got your attention, please start using the newsgroups.  The
mailing lists will be terminated soon.  See the newly updated web pages for
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:39:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Russell King <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Ralph Siemsen writes:
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Hey!  Not fair!  Some of us don't want to use news.  Please continue the
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:42:26 -0500
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Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Ralph ([email-masked]) said:
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Will they still require username and password?

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:12:34 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Darryl DeGraff wrote:

> Will they still require username and password?

Yes.  The idea being to prevent spammers from fetching everyone's email
addresses.  If majority decides this isn't important, we can drop the
restriction.  In that case, we could also push the data out on usual news
feeds, so you could get it from your local server.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

On Wed, 26 May 1999, Ralph Siemsen wrote:

> While I've got your attention, please start using the newsgroups.  The
> mailing lists will be terminated soon.  See the newly updated web pages for
> more details.

Why shutting off the mailing list?

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:47:42 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Nicolas Pitre wrote:

> Why shutting off the mailing list?

It's an issue of load on our servers more than anything else.  There are
2000 people subscribed, each receiving 20-50 emails per day from our
server.  This eats up a lot of load on a machine that already is quite
busy.  There is also the issue of dealing with bounced emails, which pile up
with this many people.  We've been talking about going to news for a long
time, it's time we did something.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:00:17 -0400
From: "Jason Titus" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Yes, news really is much more of a pain.  Can the load really be that 
significant?  We are all running pretty much development hardware that we
paid finished product prices for (our office has 40 Netwinders, and there
are plans for 40 more).  Doesn't it make sense for HCC to pick up the
communication cost for us doing our own support?

Jason Titus
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> Ralph Siemsen writes:
>> While I've got your attention, please start using the newsgroups.  The
>> mailing lists will be terminated soon.  See the newly updated web pages for
>> more details.
>
> Hey!  Not fair!  Some of us don't want to use news.  Please continue the
> mailing lists.
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:10:14 -0400
From: Matthew Keller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Newsgroup vs. Usenet Erratta

	As an ex-moderator of a 400 email per day, 8000 member listserv, I
sympatize and support Netwinder.org's option to move to Usenet. The
level of emails that Ralph has mentioned DOES create problems with
multi-use machines, but at the same time, does not warrant its own box.
	Usenet is not only non-obtrusive, but much more economical. Sure, I'll
get annoyed having to type in my username and password, but IMHO it's an
acceptable cost of doing business.

	As for the sudden "surprise" everyone seems to have regarding this
issue: It's been posted on the Netwinder.org website and talked about on
this listserv for several months at least, that eventually everything
would be moved to the Usenet ng's.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Gelbard <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

> It's an issue of load on our servers more than anything else.  There are
> 2000 people subscribed, each receiving 20-50 emails per day from our

So are you looking for people w/ net servers and bandwidth to 
act as a mail exchangers for the netwinder devel groups? 

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rasmus Lerdorf <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

> It's an issue of load on our servers more than anything else.  There are
> 2000 people subscribed, each receiving 20-50 emails per day from our
> server.  This eats up a lot of load on a machine that already is quite
> busy.  There is also the issue of dealing with bounced emails, which pile up
> with this many people.  We've been talking about going to news for a long
> time, it's time we did something.

??  I run a couple of mailing lists that get anywhere from 50-100 times
more traffic than this one and it probably has 10 times as many
subscribers, and load isn't really a problem.  The same machine gets 500K
web hits per day and sends out 500M of data via cvs and rsync.
(www.php.net is the machine in case you are wondering)

Perhaps you should be using different software if this meager list is
really bogging you down.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

On Wed, 26 May 1999, Ralph Siemsen wrote:

> The X server is
> horribly crippled, simple apps like xterm dump core immediately. 

Make certain you have the following line in /etc/fstab with a 2.2 kernel
(also remember to include pts support, two options in the kernel...):
        none      /dev/pts     devpts  mode=0622  0 0

This is what I needed to get xterms to work again... :)

> The debugger doesn't work with 2.2 and the compiler crashes mysteriously
> after the system has been building stuff for a while.  We are working to
> get things stable.

I would blame the problem with the compiler on the NWFPE...  Try the
Accorn FPE, as a test.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:30:44 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

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> Date:  Wed, 26 May 1999 10:12:52 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Perhaps you should be using different software if this meager list is
> really bogging you down.

That was my reaction as well.  I'd like to suggest qmail with ezmlm and 
ezmlm-idx.  It'll handle this list w/o even breaking a sweat.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 04:55:19 -0500
From: Brian Dozier <[email-masked]>
Subject: E-Mail vs newsgroupsRe: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

Actually, I would prefer newsgroups . . .

I don't use a threaded e-mail reader, but I do have threaded
newsreaders, which would certainly make it easier keeping up with
interesting vs uninteresting (to me at least) threads . . .

Just my $0.02 

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:50:41 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> The image was not meant to go out.  There will be no build #14 as a result.
> The next official release will be known as build #15, so as to avoid any
> confusion.

Sorry, my fault.  I forgot Ralph had made my redhat directory world
readable <:(  What is there now is an unfinished "work in progress".

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:11:24 +0200
From: "Jan Rinze" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Sorry Andrew,

I should not have started the discussion about the 'build 14' ...

Just for what its worth , when will #15 be ready ?

And will it include a 2.2 kernel ?

Jan Rinze.

Andrew E. Mileski wrote:

>Ralph Siemsen wrote:
>> The image was not meant to go out.  There will be no build #14 as a
result.
>> The next official release will be known as build #15, so as to avoid any
>> confusion.
>
>Sorry, my fault.  I forgot Ralph had made my redhat directory world
>readable <:(  What is there now is an unfinished "work in progress".
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:17:39 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

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> From:  "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Wed, 26 May 1999 11:50:41 -0400
>
> Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> > The image was not meant to go out.  There will be no build #14 as a resul
> t.
> > The next official release will be known as build #15, so as to avoid any
> > confusion.
> 
> Sorry, my fault.  I forgot Ralph had made my redhat directory world
> readable <:(  What is there now is an unfinished "work in progress".

I was going to take the blame since I'm the one you told about build#14.

Anyway, I was going to report the problem with xterm this morning, but clearly 
it isn't necessary, so I'll just wait for build#15.

Aside from the X stuff, I'm pretty happy with it and I'm glad I installed it 
since it allowed me to split my root partition.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:22:04 -0700 (BST)
From: Tim Rowledge <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup vs. Usenet Erratta

On Wed 26 May, Matthew Keller wrote:
> 	Usenet is not only non-obtrusive, but much more economical. Sure, I'll
> get annoyed having to type in my username and password, but IMHO it's an
> acceptable cost of doing business.
I just built kexpress on my NW yesterday and it has the nice property of
handling several news accounts within the one app, with no having to type in
your account info each time. I haven't had time yet to really decide if it's
any good for any other reason, but it seems promising.
HOWEVER; although it conncted to news.netwinder.org ok, there seems to be very
little there - certainly many of the posts to the list of the past few days do
not seem to be in announce, bugtraq, devel, features, general or test groups.
Can anyone else see noticable content, or other groups?

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:29:35 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Jan Rinze wrote:
> Just for what its worth , when will #15 be ready ?

*sigh*  I don't know yet.  After upgrading a lot of packages, I now
have a system with even more problems to solve :_(  More things are
building without patching, but it's getting them all working together
that's a problem.

The X bug is an old on in libXt that was related to the compiler or
assembler.  I saw it long ago, but it went away.  Now it's back :(
Looks like a routine is getting passed bad args.

> And will it include a 2.2 kernel ?

Probably.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:12:00 -0700 (BST)
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Subject: Re: Vidcap performance problems

On Wed 26 May, Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> It does depend a bit on how the device is opened.  IF you open in blocking
> mode, as the examples do, then on each read, the driver waits for
> top-of-frame (sometimes it takes two frames) before delivering an image.  If
> you don't block, the driver returns 0 repeatedly until there is enough
> information to give a complete image.
I've done measurements both ways and get very minor performance changes; not
too surprising since the non-blocking code has to loop around re-trying until
there is a frame to grab! I thought it might possibly be a bug somewhere to do
with blocking, but no such luck :-(
I also did some timings with a fake small number as the 'number of bytes to
read' value in the read() call - using 40000 instead of the 352*240*2 proper
value reduces read time to 290mS for 50 frames instead of ~5S ! Since I'm using
YUV format pixels, about the only plausible culprit left seems to be the
copy_to_user routine in videodev.h .

I have the feeling that something else might be wrong as well, since I surely
ought not be able to do 50 frames in <1sec since it should be grabbing them at
50Hz?

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:25:02 +0100 (GMT)
From: Alex Holden <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

On Wed, 26 May 1999, Chris Garrigues wrote:
> > Perhaps you should be using different software if this meager list is
> > really bogging you down.
> That was my reaction as well.  I'd like to suggest qmail with ezmlm and 
> ezmlm-idx.  It'll handle this list w/o even breaking a sweat.

I'll second that reccomendation. Even an old 486 (or a NW if you can get
it stable) could handle this much mail effortlessly with ezmlm-idx, and
the automatic management is pretty clever (it handles bounces itself and
unsubscribes repeat offenders without the human admin ever having to know
about it). From never having touched qmail or ezmlm before, it took about
4 hours to set it up on LinuxHacker, and I'd definitely not switch back.

If you do move totally to newsgroups, I won't be following. There's always
Linux-ARM, even though the Vger lag is getting ridiculous now.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:32:49 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016,3614]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Ralph
Is it possible to provide http access
to the NG's so that registered users
can access the NG's through their browser  ?

And is IMAP access technically feasible ?
Many new PDA's and PC mailreaders come with
IMAP nowadays

Comments welcome 

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:40:36 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

"Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016,3614]" wrote:

> Is it possible to provide http access
> to the NG's so that registered users
> can access the NG's through their browser  ?

We are hoping to put a web interface in place eventually - for now, you need
a newsreader.  Netscape communicator is what I'm using and it's reasonable. 
Tin works too of course.
 
> And is IMAP access technically feasible ?
> Many new PDA's and PC mailreaders come with
> IMAP nowadays

I believe IMAP is for email, not news.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:54:39 +0300 (GMT)
From: Roberto Alsina <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

On Wed, 26 May 1999, Ralph Siemsen wrote:

> "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016,3614]" wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to provide http access
> > to the NG's so that registered users
> > can access the NG's through their browser  ?
> 
> We are hoping to put a web interface in place eventually - for now, you need
> a newsreader.  Netscape communicator is what I'm using and it's reasonable. 
> Tin works too of course.

You can ask deja.com to index them for you (bingo! free web interface :-)

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:55:13 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

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> We are hoping to put a web interface in place eventually - for now, you nee
> d
> a newsreader.  Netscape communicator is what I'm using and it's reasonable.
>  
> Tin works too of course.

Is it really out of the question to gateway it into a mailing list?  News is 
no longer one of my habits, and if I can't get it through email, I'm not very 
likely to read it.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:58:46 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016,3614]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

>>We are hoping to put a web interface in place
eventually - for now, you need
a newsreader.  
Netscape communicator is what I'm using and it's
reasonable.<<
Yeah but I still have 3.04 on a 486/66
running WinDoze and it does not offer offline
capabilities
As I am behind a firewall I have to dial directly
into my providers system and pay per minute call
charges NLG 0.34 /min all-in

>>I believe IMAP is for email, not news.<<

You are correct but with IMAP you can get The same
functionality as with NG's but you can easily save
msgs into local folders on your PC/PDA

Comments welcome

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:23:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deirdre Saoirse <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE

Let me also vote for a mailing list vs. newsgroups only.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:27:51 -0400
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Subject: Newsgroups vs mailing list

Let me point out another difficulty with private newsgroups: those of us behind
firewalls may not be able to access the netwinder news server.
If the newsgroups were going to be propagated, then I'd be able to get them from
our internal server, but as it is, I can't get a connection from a news client
on my desktop to an external server.  Unfortunately, I am not in control of our
firewall...

A web interface, of course, would solve my problem nicely.

     Bret Harsham

Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]> on 05/26/99 05:40:36 PM

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"Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016,3614]" wrote:

> Is it possible to provide http access
> to the NG's so that registered users
> can access the NG's through their browser  ?

We are hoping to put a web interface in place eventually - for now, you need
a newsreader.  Netscape communicator is what I'm using and it's reasonable.
Tin works too of course.

> And is IMAP access technically feasible ?
> Many new PDA's and PC mailreaders come with
> IMAP nowadays

I believe IMAP is for email, not news.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:34:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deirdre Saoirse <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: E-Mail vs newsgroupsRe: THERE IS NO NEW IMAGE 

On Wed, 26 May 1999, Brian Dozier wrote:

> Actually, I would prefer newsgroups . . .
> 
> I don't use a threaded e-mail reader, but I do have threaded
> newsreaders, which would certainly make it easier keeping up with
> interesting vs uninteresting (to me at least) threads . . .

I have seen mailing lists gated (one-way) to newsgroups -- making the
newsgroup contain all of the email list (and more). This would encourage
people to migrate to newsgroups without requiring them to.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:44:50 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Newsgroups vs mailing list 

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> From:  [email-masked]
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> Let me point out another difficulty with private newsgroups: those of us behind
> firewalls may not be able to access the netwinder news server.

Let me point out a difficulty with public newsgroups:  SPAM.

I'd really like to keep the list.

Chris

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