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devel-digest          Saturday, May 15 1999          Volume 02 : Number 170

In this issue:

    X
    Re: How to reach Rebel.com
    Re: X
    Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: X 
    Re: Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: X
    Re: X 
    nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: DHCP boooting
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: Need to upgrade; help?
    Re: DHCP boooting 
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem
    Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:01:11 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: X

Hi,

I'm occasionally getting small vertical artifacts on the screen under X.  At 
the moment I'm using the newest SVGA server that I could find under users/d/
douglasp on the FTP site (the one dated April 15) - is this right?

p.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:03:51 -0400
From: Michael Burrows <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: How to reach Rebel.com

Thanks Andrew
We are working on it to clear out bottlenecks , anything else you see
needs fixing let me know
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:12:47 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: X

Philip Blundell wrote:

> I'm occasionally getting small vertical artifacts on the screen under X.  At
> the moment I'm using the newest SVGA server that I could find under users/d/
> douglasp on the FTP site (the one dated April 15) - is this right?

Hmm... that's odd... I get small green stripes (horizontal) near the top of
the screen.   I wonder if they're related.  The version in doug's dir should
be the latest.  Another hit for the buglist it seems...

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:41:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Todd Graham Lewis <[email-masked]>
Subject: Need to upgrade; help?

I've got what has to be close to a pristine, original netwinder.

Kernel 2.0.31, virtually all original RPMs, disk image 1.1, Redhat 4.2.

I'm not sure which nettrom I have, but I've never upgraded it.
(How do I tell?)  This was one of the first ones; I got it during the
introductory-offer sale last summer.

Anyway, the X server on it is slow (non-accelerated from what San told
me at ALS last year), IRDA is not supported in the kernel, there's no
GNOME or KDE, it's a.out, it honors the old (better) ABI for struct
packing, etc.  This sucks, and I want all of the new stuff on it.

Ideally, I would just pop in a redhat upgrade non-floppy-thingie and
go to town, but 1) I don't see where anyone's done a redhat-style
upgrade mechanism, and 2) it doesn't look like anyone's maintaining a
proper distribution anyway.  I've seen lots of traffic on the list of
a million RPMs sitting in people's home dirs, but no indication of a
central repository for the things.

I am very happy to put debian on it, having been a happy user of debian
as one of my two distributions for several years now.  However, Jim
Pick's chroot-image page seems to be down, I think.

Finally, I am willing to upgrade this thing by hand, not that I would
like it.  Is there a list of recommended RPMs to which people should
upgrade?  Is there an Upgrade HOWTO?  I know I'll need to upgrade my
ROM, and I've got the HOWTO for that, but that requires a kernel
upgrade, and I don't know if that means an a.out->ELF conversion, and I
generally am unclear on the non-ROM portions of the upgrade.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:49:41 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: X 

Ralph Siemsen wrote:

>Hmm... that's odd... I get small green stripes (horizontal) near the top of
>the screen.   I wonder if they're related.

Possibly.  One thing that provokes my bug quite visibly is xemacs with 
certain fonts (notably size-12 Courier).  Any time you type into the window, 
the cursor seems to leave a 1-pixel wide strip behind it.  Fortunately by 
choosing another font you can avoid this effect, so it's not show-stoppingly 
bad for me.  Oh well.

p.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chuck Stuart <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Need to upgrade; help?

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Todd Graham Lewis wrote:

> I've got what has to be close to a pristine, original netwinder.
> 
> Kernel 2.0.31, virtually all original RPMs, disk image 1.1, Redhat 4.2.
> 
> I'm not sure which nettrom I have, but I've never upgraded it.
> (How do I tell?)  This was one of the first ones; I got it during the
> introductory-offer sale last summer.
> 

Arghh!  Been there, done that.  You probably have NetTrom 1.3p?.  In a
nutshell, these are the steps you need to take.  Please, please, get hold
of all the relevant documentation on netwinder.org and read it before
attempting the upgrade!

1) Hit Jim Tittsler's FAQ, find Stany's rescue FAQ, read, read read.
2) Find a new NetTrom on ftp.netwinder.org, in the ccc area.
3) Cross fingers, knock wood, sacrifice sheep, upgrade NetTrom
4) Download the big tar image of DM-12.  Untar it onto another -NIX system
5) Follow the Rescue FAQ to configure network booting of your 'Winder, as
   well as NFS mount of the root file system.

At this point, you should have a 'Winder booted from the network, running
the latest released version of the DM disk image.  Now you will need to
repartition your disk, make a file system, and untar the image onto your
'Winder.

All of this sounds far more scary than it is, but you must read and
understand documentation and notes from several sources.

> Finally, I am willing to upgrade this thing by hand, not that I would
> like it.  Is there a list of recommended RPMs to which people should
> upgrade?  Is there an Upgrade HOWTO?  I know I'll need to upgrade my
> ROM, and I've got the HOWTO for that, but that requires a kernel
> upgrade, and I don't know if that means an a.out->ELF conversion, and I
> generally am unclear on the non-ROM portions of the upgrade.
> 

Note that Andrew has a new disk image coming RSN.  You may just wish to do
the NetTrom upgrade, and wait for the new image.

					Chuck Stuart

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:24:26 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: X

Philip Blundell wrote:

> Possibly.  One thing that provokes my bug quite visibly is xemacs with
> certain fonts (notably size-12 Courier).  Any time you type into the window,
> the cursor seems to leave a 1-pixel wide strip behind it.  Fortunately by
> choosing another font you can avoid this effect, so it's not show-stoppingly
> bad for me.  Oh well.

I've seen similar problems with xterms in KDE with certain fonts... i
figured it was a bug in the font render.  Does "xrefresh" clean things up?

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:35:13 +0100
From: Philip Blundell <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: X 

Ralph Siemsen wrote:

>I've seen similar problems with xterms in KDE with certain fonts... i
>figured it was a bug in the font render.  Does "xrefresh" clean things up?

Yup, so does just dragging some other window across the affected area.

p.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:57:53 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

I configure
     kernconfig     tftp
     rootconfig          nfs
The kernel is apparently downloaded correctly (this is the 981023 version)
and then I get the following
     ide_setup: hda=autotune
     ide_setup: hdb=autotune
     Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
     Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 326.86 BogoMIPS
     Memory: 7108k/8192k available (628 kernel code, 42k reserved, 408k
data)
     Linux version 2.0.31 (ralphs@netwinder) gcc version 2.8.1) #1 Fri Oct
23 18:23:50 EDT 1998
     hda: TOSHIBA MK3003MAN, 2937MB w/ 128kB Cache, CHS=5968/16/63, DMA
     hda: tune_wb553
     hda: DMA mword mode 2
     eth0: NE2000+ found at 0x300, using IRQ 8, (32 bit).
       hda: [PTBL] [746/128/63] hda1 hda2 hda3
     - ARMLinux 16/32 bit Alignment Handler v0.9 - [email-masked]
     Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:02
If, instead, I configure
     kernconfig     fs
     rootconfig          disk
I get nearly the same output (++ prepends):
++   CLOCK: Timer 1is not crystal controlled.  Loaded with 534620
++   CLOCK: board probe returned rev 44ff and will report 44ff
     ide_setup: hda=autotune
     ide_setup: hdb=autotune
     Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
++   Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 262.14 BogoMIPS
     Memory: 7108k/8192k available (628 kernel code, 42k reserved, 408k
data)
++   Linux version 2.0.31 (ralphs@netwinder) gcc version 2.8.1) #1 Thu Oct
29 14:37:34 EST 1998
     hda: TOSHIBA MK3003MAN, 2937MB w/ 128kB Cache, CHS=5968/16/63, DMA
     hda: tune_wb553
     hda: DMA mword mode 2
     eth0: NE2000+ found at 0x300, using IRQ 8, (32 bit).
       hda: [PTBL] [746/128/63] hda1 hda2 hda3
     - ARMLinux 16/32 bit Alignment Handler v0.9 - [email-masked]
     Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:02

Any ideas?  I wonder if the hardfile is bad?

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:30:30 -0400
From: "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DHCP boooting

Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> Chris Garrigues wrote:
> >         http://www.netwinder.org/~andrewm/redhat/index.html
> >
> > gets me:
> >
> > Not Found
> 
> Try http://www.netwindr.org/~andrewm/redhat/RPMS/ for the very latest
> bleeding edge stuff.  Or grab a complete filesystem from
> ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/images/ and untarr it using 'p' option to
> tar.

My web pages weren't meant for public consumption.  I put them up when
I need to look for something.  So they are updated sporadically.

Since others are looking at them, I'll see about updating them more
frequently, and making them prettier :)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:59:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Darryl DeGraff wrote:

> The kernel is apparently downloaded correctly (this is the 981023 version)
> and then I get the following

>      Linux version 2.0.31 (ralphs@netwinder) gcc version 2.8.1) #1 Fri Oct
> 23 18:23:50 EDT 1998

For NeTTrom >=  2.0.6 you need a kernel >= 990121 (or use a 2.2  kernel)

This must be on Ralph's page?

- -Rms

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deirdre Saoirse <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Need to upgrade; help?

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Todd Graham Lewis wrote:

> (How do I tell?)  This was one of the first ones; I got it during the
> introductory-offer sale last summer.

Looks like you and I have the same machine basically. :)

> Finally, I am willing to upgrade this thing by hand, not that I would
> like it.  Is there a list of recommended RPMs to which people should
> upgrade?  Is there an Upgrade HOWTO?  I know I'll need to upgrade my
> ROM, and I've got the HOWTO for that, but that requires a kernel
> upgrade, and I don't know if that means an a.out->ELF conversion, and I
> generally am unclear on the non-ROM portions of the upgrade.

I was actually thinking of writing an upgrade HOWTO that would incorporate
(partly in text and partly by reference) the other existing references.

The first thing you need to do is upgrade your nettrom. It's kinda scary
but it worked OK for me.

Then, if you have a larger drive, it's relatively easy to upgrade it to a
later image.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:08:47 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

"Rod m. Stewart" wrote:

> For NeTTrom >=  2.0.6 you need a kernel >= 990121 (or use a 2.2  kernel)
> 
> This must be on Ralph's page?

http://www.netwinder.org/~ralphs/compat.html

The problem is that the firmware variables for root device aren't being
passed in a fashion that the the kernel understands.  So the kernel is
falling back on its default of /dev/hda2 (major 3, minor 2).

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:14:13 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Need to upgrade; help?

Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> I was actually thinking of writing an upgrade HOWTO that would incorporate
> (partly in text and partly by reference) the other existing references.

I've already started on it... to go along with the other HOWTO's that I've
written (see http://netwinder.org/~ralphs/howto/ for more).  Right now there
is one on firmware and one on kernel compiling/running.  These will
eventually replace the information that's linked on my homepage.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deirdre Saoirse <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Need to upgrade; help?

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Ralph Siemsen wrote:

> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > I was actually thinking of writing an upgrade HOWTO that would incorporate
> > (partly in text and partly by reference) the other existing references.
> 
> I've already started on it... to go along with the other HOWTO's that I've
> written (see http://netwinder.org/~ralphs/howto/ for more).  Right now there
> is one on firmware and one on kernel compiling/running.  These will
> eventually replace the information that's linked on my homepage.

Cool! I won't bother then -- I have PLENTY of writing to do. :)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:34:50 -0500
From: David Welton <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Need to upgrade; help?

On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 10:41:34AM -0400, Todd Graham Lewis wrote:

> I am very happy to put debian on it, having been a happy user of
> debian as one of my two distributions for several years now.
> However, Jim Pick's chroot-image page seems to be down, I think.

You still need to upgrade the netrom, but Debian runs really well on
these things, and of course, it's nice to have all the software
located in one place, with a clear upgrade path.  I think development
has been a bit slower as of late, though, as Real Life has intruded in
people's time.  More volunteers would always be welcome though:-)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:04:27 -0500
From: "Chris Garrigues" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: DHCP boooting 

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> From:  "Andrew E. Mileski" <[email-masked]>
> Date:  Fri, 14 May 1999 12:30:30 -0400
>
> Ralph Siemsen wrote:
> > Chris Garrigues wrote:
> > >         http://www.netwinder.org/~andrewm/redhat/index.html
> > >
> > > gets me:
> > >
> > > Not Found
> > 
> > Try http://www.netwindr.org/~andrewm/redhat/RPMS/ for the very latest
> > bleeding edge stuff.  Or grab a complete filesystem from
> > ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/images/ and untarr it using 'p' option to
> > tar.
> 
> My web pages weren't meant for public consumption.  I put them up when
> I need to look for something.  So they are updated sporadically.
> 
> Since others are looking at them, I'll see about updating them more
> frequently, and making them prettier :)

Well, you should realize that I grabbed that URL out of the online FAQ.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:48:09 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

Rod and Ralph:

>> For NeTTrom >=  2.0.6 you need a kernel >= 990121 (or use a 2.2  kernel)
>>
>> This must be on Ralph's page?

> http://www.netwinder.org/~ralphs/compat.html

A couple of questions, then:
- - Where might I find such a kernel (I looked in
ftp.netwinder.org/users/r/ralphs and ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel and
did not find such)
- - The nfs mount is a dm10 disk image.  Will I it boot?

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:01:20 -0500
From: "Darryl DeGraff" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

>>Rod and Ralph:

>>> For NeTTrom >=  2.0.6 you need a kernel >= 990121 (or use a 2.2
kernel)
>>>
>>> This must be on Ralph's page?

>> http://www.netwinder.org/~ralphs/compat.html

> A couple of questions, then:
> - Where might I find such a kernel (I looked in
ftp.netwinder.org/users/r/ralphs
> and ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel and did not find > such)
> - The nfs mount is a dm10 disk image.  Will I it boot?

Oops ... is it
     ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel/nwkernbin-990121.tar.gz

darryl (li-cor)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Darryl DeGraff wrote:

> A couple of questions, then:
> - Where might I find such a kernel (I looked in
> ftp.netwinder.org/users/r/ralphs and ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel and
> did not find such)

The name of the tar changed.  It is now called nwsrc.xxxx.tar.gz and
nwbin.xxx.tar.gz, or something similar.  The the following:
	ls /pub/ccc/kernel/*99*
Or try this:
	cd /pub/ccc/kernel/
	ls -lart
There should be readme file in this directory.

> - The nfs mount is a dm10 disk image.  Will I it boot?

Yes, it should.  I'm almost positive I used to nfs boot dm10.  You might
have to remove the following:
	/etc/fstab  #at least the root (/) entry
	/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/SXXnetwork  # or relevant.
		dm10 would get really confused if you tried to 
		bring up networking after it was already up.

- -Rms

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:14:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rod m. Stewart" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

On Fri, 14 May 1999, Darryl DeGraff wrote:
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> Oops ... is it
>      ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel/nwkernbin-990121.tar.gz

Yes.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:20:10 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

Darryl DeGraff wrote:
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> Oops ... is it
>      ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/pub/ccc/kernel/nwkernbin-990121.tar.gz

Yes... sorry about the switch in naming convention... but people kept asking
for combined kernel/modules/headers packages, so I thought it would be
appropriate to change names.  Future kernels will also be distributed in RPM
format.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:59:20 +0000
From: Ralph Siemsen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: nettrom 2.0.8c boot problem

"Rod m. Stewart" wrote:

> There should be readme file in this directory.

People should read the readme that is in that directory :)

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